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So has anyone gotten $5K over recently? Bought my mother inlaw a CR-V last night from the same dealership. The sales manager offered me a small discount off their ADM on the CTR and said he would do a little better if I wanted it. Is the real world rate currently $8K? There are live listings...

Hoehn Honda in San Diego has 2 Type R's in the showroom right now at $15K ADM plus about $1600 in "protection". Boost Blue and CW, I offered $5K over and they politely told me to go screw myself.

You shouldn't make so many generalizations. Former G80 owner and wasn't/am not up to my eyeballs in debt. Sold it to a friend who paid cash for it as well. Yes there are people that stretch to get an M3, but there are people that stretch to get a CTR as well. Back on topic, I am planning on...