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I’m a bit shocked that we are already seeing used ones out there - wonder if they were dealer manager/owner cars that they used for a joyride and then decided to flip it for basically a new car.

It’s definitely not a ‘Honda thing only’. Ask Nissan Z and Corolla GR potential buyers. All the dealers are asking for ADM and/or forced add-ons. But one thing that isn’t being discussed is the ‘what if all manufacturers made sure that their car only sold for MSRP?’ - then we would be...

That is a really good price - it’s hard to believe that MSRP is now considered a good price and if you can get below MSRP - even better haha. I keep hearing the Elantra N is a really really great daily car that has great performance etc.

Prices are coming down for a FK8 but they are still crazy high and MOST are still close if not over their original MSRP. When you put that into consideration - then paying ADM for a NEW FL5 - should be better than the FK8 is deemed as not sooo bad. If it was a situation where you were seeing the...

I feel like most people who are in this situation feel that they can have the vehicle and drive it for 6mo - to flex on everyone and then trade it in and basically get all their money back. So the risk is worth the reward.

Not trolling but are you referring to Ford trying to forgo the dealership model when it comes to EVs?

I think if you can get 'above average' on a trade-in - the $5k ADM might make this car still a decent deal especially if you plan on keeping it for a long time. You are right - $10k puts you in another league of car - but that is only IF you can get said car for MSRP. Overall I feel like the CTR...

I get it but it seems like more and more - dealers that don't charge ADM and actually have ONE available - its like finding a unicorn. Can it be done - sure it can bc the FK8 went for MSRP for several people but overall - its going to be a hard find unless you're willing to wait it out for a few...

For those that are interested in the car and due to shortages - it’s a good way to bring people in - just to check it out. Will they get $50k over - NOPE but that isn’t the point. Maybe someone will go in and be willing to spend $10k-15k over - could happen. For a lot of us on this forum - we...

Not to thread jack - but what about moving from a current SI to a FK8 CTR? I think that would be much closer yet I feel that the last gen CTR would offer better performance, and better resale value once the market goes back to normal - plus the prices of all used cars are starting to go down...

I don’t think I’m missing the point - I feel like everyone on this forum KNOWS the CTR will hold its value. The problem is that you are using a $50k USED CTR as an example - when in reality - due to interest rates going up, the new gen out (which I think most would agree will be the better car)...

THIS literally made me LOL’d - bc you are so right. We all talk about ‘well, hell I’ll get XYZ instead‘ but the reality is - we all want a FL5 else we wouldn’t be on this forum. Sure - other alternatives are there but like you said - the maintenance compared to the Honda are completely...

The longer the car sits - the more it will lose money. People will look at the car and want it - but financing it with interest rates that are continuing to go up along with lower trade in values - why would someone pay that much for a used car (that is over MSRP) and is the previous model -...

I get the reasoning for the dealer - but not for the manufacturer. I mean the manufacturer takes on the risk or new models (whether or not the public will like them) along with the R&D to make them etc. So if I’m a manufacturer - I want to make as many as possible bc I have the ‘sales force‘ to...

I hope you are right man - I just feel like ‘enthusiast cars’ will still garner an ADM of some sort. I think there are enough people that would be more than willing to pay $2.5k over MSRP to get their hands on a FL5 at this point. I feel the normal car market will definitely adjust and I’m...

I 'believe' they are going to be fewer made than what the FK8 was produced but I'm sure someone who is more knowledgable will chime in. As for as holding their value - history would say yes but history is also marred with being in the middle of a pandemic thus causing the new car market to be...

I might have mistyped what I meant. Last year, pretty much EVERY car had ADM added to it - bc of supply and demand. For instance - my niece who NEEDED a car winded up paying about $5k more over MSRP on a Mazda CX3. So what I am referring to as far as 'getting back to normal' is NOT MSRP coming...

It is interesting that the ADM is only $10k - figured dealers would be trying more along the lines of $15-20k. When I look at new Z - seems since inventory has been really slow to get out - a lot of their markups are well over $10k and if you want a proto - its like buying a used GTR. I wonder...

Eh…its like anything ‘what goes up, eventually comes down and what comes down eventually goes back up’. But you are right - I think everyone (including myself) has been predicting the carApocolypse and we are still waiting for it to take hold. Seeing some ‘cracks’ but enthusiast cars are still...

I hear a lot of people talk about the first gen M2 and how good it is. Did you own one and if so - how did it compare to the M2 Competition (If you had the chance to test drive that as well) - I know the M2 is on the ‘short list’ as well but the CTR just offers so much ‘daily driving’ and ‘fun’...