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I feel safer inside the CTR than in the Corolla hatch. Same thing with the GTI.
The rear bumper is too close to the rear passengers (my kids).
For sure the safety difference is zero but that is how I perceive it.
I hate when designers give up rear headroom and trunk space for some sloping roofline they think looks good. Mazda does this all the time.
We looked at the Corolla hatch and while our Focus was only 1ā€ longer it has literally like 8ā€ more rear legroom, more headroom and a much bigger trunk.
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I canā€™t get past the missing arm rest as petty as it may be. Iā€™m also wondering about the daily driveability from the 1.6L three cylinder engineā€¦. is it going to feel gutless when driving normally under 4000 eng rpm from a traffic signal? I do like the ā€œ valueā€ of the core + front/rear LSD package though.
 

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I canā€™t get past the missing arm rest as petty as it may be. Iā€™m also wondering about the daily driveability from the 1.6L three cylinder engineā€¦. is it going to feel gutless when driving normally under 4000 eng rpm from a traffic signal? I do like the ā€œ valueā€ of the core + front/rear LSD package though.
I'm with you on this. No arm rest seems super annoying. They are cool cars but to think they wouldn't have the same ADM drama is nieve at best.
 

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Also how dated is the Corolla platform? Hasn't been out for over 4 years?
 


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I'm with you on this. No arm rest seems super annoying. They are cool cars but to think they wouldn't have the same ADM drama is nieve at best.
A dealer near me had a Core with LSD package and cold package available in white somehow. They sent that info out in their email blast and it sold a few hours after that. It went for 5k over.
 

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There's no doubt that the Civic is a better all-around car. More refined, more modern, more spacious, etc., etc. If someone is merely in the market for a "car" and are cross-shopping the GR Corolla and Type R, I think that the Civic wins hands down. But as a weekend toy? Or as something special to sit on for 20 years? I think the GR has a lot to offer.

100hp/cylinder? Basic hatchback body with 4WD and trick differentials thrown at it? It's practically a modern day Lancia Integrale. Pretty cool. (I'd still rather have the Type R, that being said.)
 

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Also how dated is the Corolla platform? Hasn't been out for over 4 years?
It's based on the TNG-C platform, which is about 4 years old. The GR Corolla received additional spot welds, so it's a stiffer platform. I wouldn't say it's that old of an platform. The 11th gen Civic is based on an updated 10th gen platform to put things in perspective.
 


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I canā€™t get past the missing arm rest as petty as it may be. Iā€™m also wondering about the daily driveability from the 1.6L three cylinder engineā€¦. is it going to feel gutless when driving normally under 4000 eng rpm from a traffic signal? I do like the ā€œ valueā€ of the core + front/rear LSD package though.
Can't really judge how usable an engine's power band is based on its size.

Here's a stock GR Yaris:
11th Gen Honda Civic 2023 Civic Type R FL5 vs. Toyota GR Corolla showdown! Comparison review by Motortrend 1671478895927


It hits most of its torque before 3k rpm. It's all in the hardware combination and tuning.

For example, the 2.0 Accord has way more low end torque than the 2.0 in the Type R. Different combination hardware and tuning even though they're both "2.0".
 
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The CTR is probably as close as you can find to a car that has it all.
The GRC looks to be a brilliant effort from Toyota, since they refused to send us the GR Yaris, but the Type R still seems like the keeper as a daily driver.
 

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It's too bad Toyota decided to use the Corolla platform. It's not small as a Yaris but it's not big enough to be practical as a Civic. t's in a weird position. The Corolla hatchback really loses on practicality compared to the Civic. The Civic is almost as spacious as a Camry.
 

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It's too bad Toyota decided to use the Corolla platform. It's not small as a Yaris but it's not big enough to be practical as a Civic. t's in a weird position. The Corolla hatchback really loses on practicality compared to the Civic. The Civic is almost as spacious as a Camry.
My thoughts exactly. Especially if the Corolla will grown in it's next update probably 1 or 2 years away.
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