FL5 Type R owner - new to modding!

[Steinberg]

Hey everyone! I've been daily driving my '24 Type R for a little over a year and absolutely love it. However, I definitely feel that it has headroom to be even better with a few mods and would love some insight into mods I should start with. I've been researching mods for about a month and I've listed below what I'm thinking. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

Use case:
I probably won't be tracking this car, but I do take it out to mountain roads and flats where I can push it a bit. Also, I would like to stick with 91/93 octane pump gas and the stock fuel system. I'm looking for a good push in power without sacrificing reliability by pushing the fuel system or engine too far. My budget is around $7k.

Mods:
- Hondata Tune
- PRL HVI
- PRL Intercooler
- PRL Rear Engine Mount Upgrade
- PRL Turbo Inlet Pipe Kit
- PRL Charge Pipe Kit
- TSP Downpipe
- 27won Kuro Turbo

When deciding on parts, I mainly looked for stuff that used the stock fitting, didn't require any cutting to install, and hopefully wasn't overkill for my use case.

I'm curious if the stock fuel system on 91/93 octane pump gas can reliably handle the Kuro.

Thanks in advance!

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[Brittania]

An ECU unlock and tune from @Jester04 is the 1st step. Best bang for your buck and really transforms the car.

 

[jtlctr]

What Brittania said. I’ve been driving my car with Jester’s tune for a week and it makes a massive difference! I’ll write up a proper review once I install my downpipe and it’s all dialed in.
I suggest starting with just the tune and take it from there.

 

[Tougefl5]

Take that 7k and invest it or buy bitcoin. If you're hell bent on burning cash then upgrade the suspension and chassis.
Imo if you're not going to upgrade the fuel system then upgraded turbo is pointless.
Fbo with stock turbo and oem exhaust system with a good tune that's the ticket.

 

[Shankmeyster]

Just beware of your engine warranty if you tune. Seems a lot of people don't realize that fact going in.

 

[Jester04]

Hey everyone! I've been daily driving my '24 Type R for a little over a year and absolutely love it. However, I definitely feel that it has headroom to be even better with a few mods and would love some insight into mods I should start with. I've been researching mods for about a month and I've listed below what I'm thinking. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

Use case:
I probably won't be tracking this car, but I do take it out to mountain roads and flats where I can push it a bit. Also, I would like to stick with 91/93 octane pump gas and the stock fuel system. I'm looking for a good push in power without sacrificing reliability by pushing the fuel system or engine too far. My budget is around $7k.

Mods:
- Hondata Tune
- PRL HVI
- PRL Intercooler
- PRL Rear Engine Mount Upgrade
- PRL Turbo Inlet Pipe Kit
- PRL Charge Pipe Kit
- TSP Downpipe
- 27won Kuro Turbo

When deciding on parts, I mainly looked for stuff that used the stock fitting, didn't require any cutting to install, and hopefully wasn't overkill for my use case.

I'm curious if the stock fuel system on 91/93 octane pump gas can reliably handle the Kuro.

Thanks in advance!

Honestly if no upgraded fuel system is in your mod path I would keep it stock turbo. And just enjoy the car as it is. The rest of the mods complement it nicely.

 

[Two Step Performance]

I'm curious if the stock fuel system on 91/93 octane pump gas can reliably handle the Kuro.

Thanks in advance!

The Kuro turbocharger is the perfect choice for someone that wants to get the most out of their factory fuel system. On 93 octane you can expect around 425whp with the supporting mods you listed. This is a comfortable level for the factory fuel system and you will be left with a much nicer power curve (compared to the factory turbocharger). 425whp is also a very conservative output level for this engine with a safe tune, so no worries there.

There is not a thing on your list that I would change based on the goals that you have listed for us.

 

[Clark_Kent]

Based on your use case, I would skip most of the modifications on the list and approach your mod path incrementally. Add intake and exhaust (no downpipe) and tune the car on pump gas. In the canyons, a 3,1XX lb sedan making ~55whp and ~65wtq will be plenty satisfying. The intake and exhaust are largely for the soundtrack as you won't see a meaningful bump in power from those upgrades once tuned. If you're still not satisfied, you can reassess at that time.

Intercooler, charge pipes, turbo inlet, rear motor mount, downpipe, turbo = waste of money for your use case. The counterargument is for every part listed you'll find enough posts of people swearing that part changed their life or "it (FL5) should've come this way from the factory".

 

[menikmati]

Find where you feel the car is deficient and then start modding in response. I wouldn't use the parts-cannon without knowing the actual limits/capabilities of the car.

 

[TheFactor]

I’ve also had my 24 just over a year . I managed to keep it stock except for the OEM plus CF wing when I first got the car. I finally caved in and just added the PRL Stage 1 and Remark SS 3” down pipe back exhaust and could not be happier . Totally transformed my driving experience with an already stellar car/Platform. Everyone’s needs and wants are different but for myself I feel like I finally scratched that itch and it didn’t cost me a leg and a arm lol.
I honestly don’t feel the need for any other mods at this time . Again everyone’s mileage will vary but for me I feel I have the perfect combination Loved this car before but now it’s takened it to another lever and couldn’t be happier .

 

[Shingo Shoji]

Based on your use case, I would skip most of the modifications on the list and approach your mod path incrementally. Add intake and exhaust (no downpipe) and tune the car on pump gas. In the canyons, a 3,1XX lb sedan making ~55whp and ~65wtq will be plenty satisfying. The intake and exhaust are largely for the soundtrack as you won't see a meaningful bump in power from those upgrades once tuned. If you're still not satisfied, you can reassess at that time.

Intercooler, charge pipes, turbo inlet, rear motor mount, downpipe, turbo = waste of money for your use case. The counterargument is for every part listed you'll find enough posts of people swearing that part changed their life or "it (FL5) should've come this way from the factory".

I agree. The car needs sound but that’s the only glaring deficiency.

 

[Steinberg]

Thanks everyone! I really appreciate the advice.

I'm gonna hold off on the turbo because it seems like the consensus is a fuel system upgrade to get full value. Also, this will let me take my modding journey more incrementally.

The rest of the mods seem like the performance I was looking for and a good place to start. Also, I just found that the mods I listed are essentially the Stage 3 Bundle from TSP, so I guess I was on the right track lol. That bundle also comes with the TSP Stage 1 Tune--I was considering between that or Phearable.

 

[Tougefl5]

Thanks everyone! I really appreciate the advice.

I'm gonna hold off on the turbo because it seems like the consensus is a fuel system upgrade to get full value. Also, this will let me take my modding journey more incrementally.

The rest of the mods seem like the performance I was looking for and a good place to start. Also, I just found that the mods I listed are essentially the Stage 3 Bundle from TSP, so I guess I was on the right track lol. That bundle also comes with the TSP Stage 1 Tune--I was considering between that or Phearable.

I've pretty much built what you have in your head. So from first hand experience get with @Jester04 start with custom tuning and develop a plan with him about how you will be using the car.
For this platform you will not find a better tuner to work with.

My touge build
https://www.civicxi.com/forum/threads/mountain-monster-build.53869/

 

[Two Step Performance]

Thanks everyone! I really appreciate the advice.

I'm gonna hold off on the turbo because it seems like the consensus is a fuel system upgrade to get full value. Also, this will let me take my modding journey more incrementally.

The rest of the mods seem like the performance I was looking for and a good place to start. Also, I just found that the mods I listed are essentially the Stage 3 Bundle from TSP, so I guess I was on the right track lol. That bundle also comes with the TSP Stage 1 Tune--I was considering between that or Phearable.

One great thing about this platform is that there are so many ways you can build it and enjoy it! Since January of 2023 I’ve had the opportunity of testing numerous turbochargers and countless other modifications while daily driving the car, long weekends in the mountains, and having fun at the track - with around 200 dyno pulls on the car sprinkled in. Something very important to remember is to build the car to suit your personal driving style and goals and that is being well considered within this thread.

Basic Bolts and a “Stage 1 tune” (or similar) via Hondata is a great starting point and sets the foundation for taking the car further if you decide to do so. But if you find the car is perfect for you like that, there is of course nothing wrong with stopping there.

A few considerations that come to mind:

• The factory turbo charger on 93 octane is capable of about 365whp depending on supporting mods, the dyno itself, etc. You will reach peak power at about 6300rpm and it will hold for a short while before tapering off as you approach 7000rpm. This setup of course does not approach being fuel limited.
• A 27WON Kuro turbocharger on 93 will reach peak power of approximately 425whp at around 7000RPM, giving you something that pulls all the way until redline. This is a comfortable limit for the factory fuel system, without pushing it to the bleeding edge.
• The slightly larger Kuro+ on 93 will peak at about 440whp, right at the edge of the limits of the factory fuel system. However the delay in spool introduced by the larger turbocharger is likely not worth it unless you are upgrading the fuel system and then using an ethanol based fuel. An upgraded fuel system will cost $3,000+ and not everyone would justify the expense for an additional 135whp, but ~575whp is what this setup can net if fuel accordingly.

In short, the 27WON Kuro offers ~425whp at it’s $1992.71 price point and the Kuro+ offers ~575whp but the cost of entry is $2292.71 + a fuel system upgrade at ~$3,000. The former is much easier to justify than the latter for most.

Driving perspectives:

• Considering turbo upgrade options, the factory turbo has a bit of the ”driving a slow car fast“ charm. It is fun pushing a car to it’s limits.
• A standard Kuro at ~425whp has a very OEM+ feel. The quick spool maintains the true spirit of the 2.0T Type R, with instant power on demand. If I were building a canyon carver, this is the route I would go.
• The Kuro+ at ~575whp is WAY more power than you can realistically use in the mountains. It is 100% manageable but I was rarely getting into full boost during a recent trip and one could argue that if you are having to be easy on the power it could be less fun to drive. However, on the flats this setup will shine like no other.

 

[scuderia_miso]

Surprised no one has mentioned this yet but the turbo inlet and intercooler pipes won't do much, if anything for power so I would definitely skip those unless you are going for the looks.

If I were you I would add an exhaust for sound, and hold off on both the intercooler and turbo upgrade. Get it tuned with the dp, intake, exhaust and see how you like it. You can always add IC and turbo later.

You can also save some money on the lower engine mount and get this insert instead. If you decide that's not enough you can always sell it and upgrade to the PRL mount.

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