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Motor1 called Honda Corporate a week ago and confirmed a 7.2% manual transmission take rate for the Civic platform in 2024. With 242,005 total Civics sold last year in the US, that's about 17,424 units with the 6MT.
The good news is that these numbers are up both unit-wise and percentage-wise from 2023. That year’s take rate for manual transmissions was 7% with 200,381 Civics sold, meaning that Honda built 14,026 manual Civics in 2023.
Motor1 confirmed specific 2023 sales figures with Honda. In 2023, Honda sold:
I’ll estimate 2024 production numbers with those percentages since that’s all I have:
Now on to the Acura side of things:
Acura sold 4,831 manual Integras in 2024 with an overall manual take rate of 19.8% and an unknown split between the A-Spec Tech 6MT and the Type S. The manual take rate declined from 22% or 7,060 manual Integras sold in 2023. Total sales figures for the Integra are 24,398 in 2024 compared to 32,090 in 2023.
I’d think that most of the decline from 2023 to 2024 is from 1) A-Spec Tech 6MT’s not selling as well because most of the enthusiasts had already purchased their 6MTs in 2023 and 2) Integra sales and interest down in general after its honeymoon period & the end of Honda’s supply chain issues. Can’t buy a Civic, buy an Integra instead. Why buy an Si at $5k markup if you can buy and Integra 6MT for the same price?? I think that’s all gone away now as I see plenty of Civics available on Honda dealer websites.
As for the Type S, I think it did the heavy lifting for the manual Integra category in 2024 (and beyond). It went on sale in June 2023 so it only had a half year of sales then, but in 2024, I’d hazard to say that demand for that car hasn’t abated one bit. I can’t estimate production numbers with the unknown split between the A-Spec 6MT and the Type S.
My Future Speculations:
Civic production is looking up! Of course, unless tariffs are put in place, there’s a recession, the stock market collapses, there’s another pandemic, or whatever else happens. My speculations on 2025 and 2026 CTR and ITS production are found below:
Allegedly, the CTR won’t be available for sale in Japan after May/June 2025 due to Japanese noise regulations coming into effect. Some might say it’s curtains for the CTR after that, but I don’t think so. In my opinion, Honda won’t end the CTR until this entire Civic generation is updated to the 12th gen for business reasons:
1) to extract the most amount of profit from the platform and
2) to spread out fixed costs & overhead to as many individual units as possible.
This should free up allocations for North America, Australia, and Europe. I think Japan was getting 5,000+ CTRs per year so if these are freed up and are now available to the other markets, we would have a “flood” of CTRs through 2027. Honda has been following the 10th gen product development strategy to a tee, so I’m fairly confident that the 11th gen Civic and the CTR will be around for 3 more model years after its refresh (MY2025 -> MY2026 -> MY2027). Get bullish on CTR inventory!
The ITS is North America only, so I don’t think there will be any stop sales here until the entire 11th gen Civic platform has ended for the next generation (as mentioned above). Less engines for Japan means more engines for the US, so I only see ITS production and sales increasing through 2027 barring any economic recession. Get bullish on ITS inventory!
Americans want to buy the CTR and ITS, so why cancel on them? Get that money, Honda! For EBITDA’s sake!
Finally, I don’t see any updates for the CTR and ITS for business reasons (beyond the most recently announced one for an updated Integra interior/exterior). Honda already spent its budget developing the custom LogR system for the CTR, so it won’t spend any more budget developing infotainment updates for a low production car. As for performance updates, I wouldn’t expect it: Honda is spending $$$ on electric vehicles. The CTR is already great, why spend money that needs to go to EV development on OEM+ refreshed parts? There’s that HRC stuff that was announced, but that’s a la carte like the TRD parts from Toyota back in the day. I think the Japanese “Black Package” is indicative of what’s to come: interior colors and not much else. If there’s a send off “Heritage Package” or whatever, it’ll be new colors on the inside and maybe some doodads or retro decals to keep the Honda faithful happy.
Let me know if you think I'm wrong. Send evidence or a good argument.
Sources:
https://www.motor1.com/features/747196/manual-transmission-sales-2024/
https://www.motor1.com/news/705017/manual-transmission-sales-2023/
https://www.motor1.com/news/747314/honda-civic-best-selling-manual/
https://www.motor1.com/news/705054/2023-honda-civic-type-r-sales/
https://hondanews.com/en-US/release...d-half-to-nearly-9-annual-auto-sales-increase
The good news is that these numbers are up both unit-wise and percentage-wise from 2023. That year’s take rate for manual transmissions was 7% with 200,381 Civics sold, meaning that Honda built 14,026 manual Civics in 2023.
Motor1 confirmed specific 2023 sales figures with Honda. In 2023, Honda sold:
- 3,345 Type R’s (23.8%)
- 7,128 Si's (50.8%)
I’ll estimate 2024 production numbers with those percentages since that’s all I have:
- The Type R is a limited production performance vehicle so I don’t think that its production numbers would increase drastically year over year. 17,424 x 23.8% is (4,147 Type Rs) in 2024. That’s about 800 more than last year, which seems reasonable.
- Since the Hatchback manual was roughly discontinued halfway through the year with the introduction of the hybrid model, I'll reduce the 25.3% by half to 12.65%. 17,424 x 12.65% is (2,204 manual hatchbacks). Again, seems reasonable.
- By my estimates, that means that Honda sold 17,424 – 4,147 – 2,204 = (11,073 Si’s) or 3,945 more than last year. This is also seems reasonable given additional Civic sedan production. It’s a bump up but nothing crazy.
Now on to the Acura side of things:
Acura sold 4,831 manual Integras in 2024 with an overall manual take rate of 19.8% and an unknown split between the A-Spec Tech 6MT and the Type S. The manual take rate declined from 22% or 7,060 manual Integras sold in 2023. Total sales figures for the Integra are 24,398 in 2024 compared to 32,090 in 2023.
I’d think that most of the decline from 2023 to 2024 is from 1) A-Spec Tech 6MT’s not selling as well because most of the enthusiasts had already purchased their 6MTs in 2023 and 2) Integra sales and interest down in general after its honeymoon period & the end of Honda’s supply chain issues. Can’t buy a Civic, buy an Integra instead. Why buy an Si at $5k markup if you can buy and Integra 6MT for the same price?? I think that’s all gone away now as I see plenty of Civics available on Honda dealer websites.
As for the Type S, I think it did the heavy lifting for the manual Integra category in 2024 (and beyond). It went on sale in June 2023 so it only had a half year of sales then, but in 2024, I’d hazard to say that demand for that car hasn’t abated one bit. I can’t estimate production numbers with the unknown split between the A-Spec 6MT and the Type S.
My Future Speculations:
Civic production is looking up! Of course, unless tariffs are put in place, there’s a recession, the stock market collapses, there’s another pandemic, or whatever else happens. My speculations on 2025 and 2026 CTR and ITS production are found below:
Allegedly, the CTR won’t be available for sale in Japan after May/June 2025 due to Japanese noise regulations coming into effect. Some might say it’s curtains for the CTR after that, but I don’t think so. In my opinion, Honda won’t end the CTR until this entire Civic generation is updated to the 12th gen for business reasons:
1) to extract the most amount of profit from the platform and
2) to spread out fixed costs & overhead to as many individual units as possible.
This should free up allocations for North America, Australia, and Europe. I think Japan was getting 5,000+ CTRs per year so if these are freed up and are now available to the other markets, we would have a “flood” of CTRs through 2027. Honda has been following the 10th gen product development strategy to a tee, so I’m fairly confident that the 11th gen Civic and the CTR will be around for 3 more model years after its refresh (MY2025 -> MY2026 -> MY2027). Get bullish on CTR inventory!
The ITS is North America only, so I don’t think there will be any stop sales here until the entire 11th gen Civic platform has ended for the next generation (as mentioned above). Less engines for Japan means more engines for the US, so I only see ITS production and sales increasing through 2027 barring any economic recession. Get bullish on ITS inventory!
Americans want to buy the CTR and ITS, so why cancel on them? Get that money, Honda! For EBITDA’s sake!
Finally, I don’t see any updates for the CTR and ITS for business reasons (beyond the most recently announced one for an updated Integra interior/exterior). Honda already spent its budget developing the custom LogR system for the CTR, so it won’t spend any more budget developing infotainment updates for a low production car. As for performance updates, I wouldn’t expect it: Honda is spending $$$ on electric vehicles. The CTR is already great, why spend money that needs to go to EV development on OEM+ refreshed parts? There’s that HRC stuff that was announced, but that’s a la carte like the TRD parts from Toyota back in the day. I think the Japanese “Black Package” is indicative of what’s to come: interior colors and not much else. If there’s a send off “Heritage Package” or whatever, it’ll be new colors on the inside and maybe some doodads or retro decals to keep the Honda faithful happy.
Let me know if you think I'm wrong. Send evidence or a good argument.
Sources:
https://www.motor1.com/features/747196/manual-transmission-sales-2024/
https://www.motor1.com/news/705017/manual-transmission-sales-2023/
https://www.motor1.com/news/747314/honda-civic-best-selling-manual/
https://www.motor1.com/news/705054/2023-honda-civic-type-r-sales/
https://hondanews.com/en-US/release...d-half-to-nearly-9-annual-auto-sales-increase
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