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Seems the managing director of Honda Australia has confirmed we will be getting the 11th gen Type R from Japan. Hopefully it wasn't the journo putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. So presumably all LHD to be made in the US and RHD in Japan?

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/honda-switches-to-japan-sourcing-for-civic-hr-v

Honda switches to Japan sourcing for Civic, HR-V
New petrol and hybrid versions of the Honda Civic and HR-V are coming to Australia soon, and this time they'll be made in Japan rather than Thailand.

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Honda Australia will source new-generation petrol and hybrid versions of the Civic and HR-V from Japan, rather than Thailand as it did with the old models.

The company says its focus on high-specification grades rather than volume-driving entry variants makes the Japanese models the right choice in terms of the technologies they offer this time around.

Furthermore, by widening its sources of vehicles the company’s local division potentially smooths out the impacts of currency fluctuations with the Australian dollar.

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While highly automated car plants are to large degrees homogeneous regardless of geography, there are no doubt some devotees of the brand who will welcome this sourcing shift.

Honda has for some time now sourced its core vehicles from Thailand – Odyssey (Japan) and Civic Type-R (UK) excepted.

Honda Australia director Stephen Collins reiterated today that its new ‘agency’ business model – under which it owns its inventory, has fixed pricing, and plans to sell fewer cars at higher margins – opened the door to a change in tactics.


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“A number of new models will come from Japan, not Thailand. That opens up a few doors in terms of some of the European spec and tech,” Mr Collins told us, in the context of future products such as electric cars which remain a few years away.

When asked if a similar strategy would apply to Civic and HR-V, two of the brand’s core products alongside the still Thai-made CR-V, Mr Collins replied in the affirmative.

“We will still source some product from Thailand, we’re definitely not abandoning Thailand, but the whole strategy about right-sizing volume for us at that 20,000 [annual] mark, and our focus on mid- to high-spec… particularly in terms of the tech that’s available to us, it makes sense to be sourcing from there,” he said.

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“On the other side of the equation, on the business side, it gives us more flexibility. Putting all your eggs in one basket with the Aussie dollar, which bounces around a lot, causes some business issues, so having more diverse sourcing helps smooth that out over the long term.

“The primary driver is where we can get the best product from,” he finished.

As reported previously the new 11th-generation Civic will only be sold here as a hatchback, with 1.5-litre turbocharged petrol models in the fourth quarter of 2021, and the new e:HEV hybrid following a few months later to rival the petrol-electric Toyota Corolla.

The new HR-V small SUV will arrive in the first half of 2022, and likewise will probably be staggered with petrol first and hybrid second.

“We would always want, where we can, to launch simultaneously… or as closely as possible. But with global supply chain issues it’s sometimes a moving target,” conceded Mr Collins.

The HR-V e:HEV hybrid pairs a 1.5-litre petrol engine and two electric motors for total outputs of 96kW and 253Nm. Like a Toyota hybrid, the Honda system can drive using electric motors at low speeds, the petrol engine, or a combination of the two.

Claimed fuel economy is 5.4L/100km on the WLTP test cycle, and the e:HEV hits 100km/h in 10.6 seconds. The Toyota C-HR’s hybrid system uses a claimed 4.8L/100km on the WLTP test, for reference.

It’s expected the Civic e-HEV will use the same drivetrain.

Mr Collins also again confirmed the brand was committed to selling the next-generation Civic Type R hot hatch, which will this time come from Japan too, since the Swindon UK plant has now been closed.
 
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Not quite what the article says. 5th paragraph says: " Honda has for some time now sourced its core vehicles from Thailand – Odyssey (Japan) and Civic Type-R (UK) excepted." The last paragraph does imply the CTR will be built in Japan because "the Swindon plant is closed" but makes no mention of the announced move of hatchback production to the Indiana (Greensburg) plant in the USA.

Makes no sense to use two different plants on such a low volume vehicle. The Swindon plant did all hatchback builds before and was only running CTR builds about 4 days a month for 4+ years.

Footnote: AU Honda is changing its marketing technique to the GM USA "Saturn" model(RIP)! Good luck with that.
 
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Last para says:

" Mr Collins also again confirmed the brand was committed to selling the next-generation Civic Type R hot hatch, which will this time come from Japan too, since the Swindon UK plant has now been closed. "

Also Swindon was running CTR production a LOT more than 4 days per month to the point I'm pretty sure they were churning them out nearly every day.
 
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Swindon, UK was the only 10th Generation (2017-2021 MY) CTR production plant. Including the LE, total worldwide production was about 46,000 units, or about 9,200 per year. Total annual hatchback output at Swindon during this period was about 120,000 units per year. 9200/120000 = about 8 % of the yearly run was CTRs. Early 2017/2018 chatter from UK workers indicated they were building CTRs for about one week per month. As most of the suspension, engine, and trim are unique to the CTR it's logical to do so in a single-line production run. The AU version of the 11th generation Civic CTR may be built in Japan but it's doubtful. Just hope the 11th CTR makes it to AU.
 
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My direct knowledge of the Swindon plant was during the last 6-8 months of production where they were pumping out the 1020 LEs and could only do 8-10 per day (thanks to the black roof needing hand painting). This meant that most days they were producing CTRs.

And I agree for what are relatively low numbers I find it hard to believe they will split global CTR production. I suspect the journo has made some assumptions and it wasn't a direct quote from the Honda MD.
 

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Assume painting was not on the production line which was producing about 600 cars a day.
 

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Swindon, UK was the only 10th Generation (2017-2021 MY) CTR production plant. Including the LE, total worldwide production was about 46,000 units, or about 9,200 per year. Total annual hatchback output at Swindon during this period was about 120,000 units per year. 9200/120000 = about 8 % of the yearly run was CTRs. Early 2017/2018 chatter from UK workers indicated they were building CTRs for about one week per month. As most of the suspension, engine, and trim are unique to the CTR it's logical to do so in a single-line production run. The AU version of the 11th generation Civic CTR may be built in Japan but it's doubtful. Just hope the 11th CTR makes it to AU.
While all of your base numbers are probably close, you have made some assumptions in how you calculated the numbers that are incorrect, thus throwing off your final determined value.

Only 2018 & 2019 were full model years. 2017 was a late-start year, and both 2020 & 2021 were significantly reduced output due to Covid and supply shortage issues. So if you are trying to determine the percentage output based on a full-production year (120k by your information) of regular Civics, then you can only get an accurate number if you look at the CTR production when it was produced for the full year.
 

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Not sure what you're trying to say but assuming they will use up all the badges manufactured (in batches of 8,000)
the final number is more than 46,000 FK8 CTRs

We're seeing CTR Badges in the mid 40,000 in the USA and another batch is just arriving.
ref:
https://www.civicx.com/forum/threads/final-type-r-production-numbers.61195/page-2 post # 24 shows #46924

https://tiremeetsroad.com/2021/07/20/how-many-fk8-honda-civic-type-rs-did-honda-produce-worldwide/
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The LE CTRs have unique badges
ref:
https://images.autotrader.com/borderscaler/800/600/2d363e/hn/c/75c6fb4df08842f7a4bc14c475b41be8.jpg
 
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