Lug Nut Torque for FL5 - Owners Manual Wrong!

[pigfacedalarm]

***EDIT*** Dealership confirmed that the 2023 Honda Civic owners manual that comes with the Type R’s in the USA is incorrect. There should be a special note stating that the Type R torque is 94 foot pounds. 80 is for standard Civics only. Owners manual to be revised in future. ***EDIT***

Just a heads up. If I remember correctly, prior generation Type R had lug nuts torqued at 94 foot pounds. According to page 763 in the owners manual, the FL5 is 80 foot pounds.
I checked for other references in owners manual but couldn’t find any. Nothing in index about wheels or lug nuts, so I basically read every page (I wish I was kidding).

 

[TypeRD]

Nice! Thanks for looking this up. It’s something I was going to eventually do. My previous car (owned ‘09 Si for 13+ years) was also 80 ft lbs, so it’ll be easy for me to remember.

 

[Dallman]

My brother worked for honda for years. I think that torque spec is wrong. I tried my spare and we have the same size studs as the FK8. I'll post when I find out. I looked in the manual also. He is going to check with the dealership.

 

[pigfacedalarm]

My brother worked for honda for years. I think that torque spec is wrong. I tried my spare and we have the same size studs as the FK8. I'll post when I find out. I looked in the manual also. He is going to check with the dealership.

would be very strange if the manual is wrong.

 

[theycallmebutter]

Just a heads up. If I remember correctly, prior generation Type R had lug nuts torqued at 94 foot pounds. According to page 763 in the owners manual, the FL5 is 80 foot pounds.
I checked for other references in owners manual but couldn’t find any. Nothing in index about wheels or lug nuts, so I basically read every page (I wish I was kidding).

I think Honda F**ked up in the owner's manual. I am going to hold my judgement but I CANNOT imaging a car with more HP and Torque than FK8 requires less torque to lug nuts UNLESS they are using some super-duper lug nuts and wheel.

10th G Civic manual always has a section for 2.0 L specs and you're right, yours is missing that. Even my old DC5 and GK5 requires 80. So I have to assume 80 is for a non-Type R.

I would call Honda Corporate and ask them to clarify with their engineers. This is a safety thing!

 

[TheCanadian]

I would trust the owners manual. FL5 wheels are different from the FK8 and 80 ft-lb is likely enough torque to have them secured against the rotor. Comparing an older FK8 spec is meaningless.

 

[theycallmebutter]

I would trust the owners manual. FL5 wheels are different from the FK8 and 80 ft-lb is likely enough torque to have them secured against the rotor. Comparing an older FK8 spec is meaningless.

Are you willing to re-torque all of your FL5's lug nuts to 80 lbf-ft and go track it? US/Canada manuals says 80. But UK manuals says 94...see that wing behind the dude??? Are you telling me the geographical difference warrants from 94 (in UK) to 80 (in NA)? It's the same damn car. Check out the link/PDF yourself....

Comparing an older FK8 spec is NOT meaningless, it's called sensible thinking and ask questions - Stay open minded.

2023 FL5 UK Owner's Manual

 

[s2kdriver80]

I'm assuming 94 is the correct figure, but I would confirm from the horse's mouth on this one.

Different wheel usage shouldn't be a factor, since you would follow the recommended torque specs for a given car, regardless of which wheel you would use (OEM or aftermarket). But someone can correct me. So the wheel isn't a variable.

UK FL5 manual states 94. US generic hatch manual says 80, with no differentiation between the CTR and lesser models (unless it applies to all models which isn't likely), so probably an oversight they missed before it went to print. And FK5/FK8 hub and suspension designs aren't all that different. So logically, probably 94.

 

[TheCanadian]

Alright so I've looked through the owners manual for the 2023 Honda Civic 5D :
https://www.honda.ca/Content/ownerm...6f0c6a13381086de020a____EN_20220923115103.pdf

The section with 80 ft-lb is for cars equipped with a spare tire only. That's Honda's way of saying non-Type R cars. Even though we are on the internet, I am willing to acknowledge when I am wrong. Apologies

 

[TypeRD]

In the coming months Imma hit up the dealership, or Honda directly, for a proper manual for the FL5. It’s a relatively small thing, but also kind of not. There’s important safety related info in it! With all the hearsay everywhere online, I’ve always used my cars’ manuals for the last word in accurate information.

 

[Dallman]

Torque specs are normally set by the size of the stud. I torqued mine to 94lbs. I'm pretty sure Honda only has two sizes and these are the large studs.

 

[pigfacedalarm]

Alright so I've looked through the owners manual for the 2023 Honda Civic 5D :
https://www.honda.ca/Content/ownerm...6f0c6a13381086de020a____EN_20220923115103.pdf

The section with 80 ft-lb is for cars equipped with a spare tire only. That's Honda's way of saying non-Type R cars. Even though we are on the internet, I am willing to acknowledge when I am wrong. Apologies

It’s strange, I couldn’t find any other reference to torque values but that page I posted on the original post.
Honda truly dropped the ball with the owners manual!!

 

[pigfacedalarm]

LOL. To make matters worse, I called my dealer.
Dealer confirmed that owners manual that comes with the 2023 Civic Type R states 80 foot pounds. He said that the owners manual is for all Civic hatches 2023 and includes information for Type R as well (which we all know). He checked the service computer, and that said 94 foot pounds. He said the service computer may have just imported over the FK8 specifications, and told me just to go by the owners manual for now. He is escalating to his regional Honda rep to see if the manual is wrong or omitted a Type R specific spec, or if it’s indeed 80.

All this started simply because I put locking lugs on my damn wheels and can’t find a legit answer on torque specs.

to be continued!

 

[Cooler2442]

How bad is it if mine are torqued to 110? Had a tire shop do that for the wheels since I didn't know the specs.

 

[Dallman]

If over torqued it can warp rotors. I'm keeping mine at 94. I had a Ridgeline, have a Pilot, and had the FK8 with the same size studs they were 94lbs. Like I said I'm going by size of the studs. The smaller studs civic and CRV are 80lbs.