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Type R Record at the Ring?

Will the Type R take the record at Nurburgring before the reveal?


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After all those recent released, still no Record announced...!
I guess 6 persons we're right ... : No, Honda just loves taking pictures
How can they beat the last type R at Suzuka by 1 second and miss
on the Nurburgring (a 4 times longer track) ?
There are quite a few things we don't know.

It is common among automakers to use the Ring as a test bed. It isn't always about the lap time when they do.

 

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After all those recent released, still no Record announced...!
I guess 6 persons we're right ... : No, Honda just loves taking pictures
How can they beat the last type R at Suzuka by 1 second and miss
on the Nurburgring (a 4 times longer track) ?
Just my thoughts - I personally don't fully understand how they can test / compare the lap time at Suzuka as a rolling start when the starting speed is going to vary. When watching the side by side video, the FK8 starting speed seems lower than the the FL5, which immediately puts it behind.

It's possible there's something I am missing or don't understand, however given that above, I am sceptical as to whether it was actually a quicker lap, or if it just started at a higher initial speed.
 

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Just my thoughts - I personally don't fully understand how they can test / compare the lap time at Suzuka as a rolling start when the starting speed is going to vary. When watching the side by side video, the FK8 starting speed seems lower than the the FL5, which immediately puts it behind.

It's possible there's something I am missing or don't understand, however given that above, I am sceptical as to whether it was actually a quicker lap, or if it just started at a higher initial speed.
Wouldn't that still mean the FL5 is faster? I would suspect they do a warm lap then 2-3 laps and take the fastest time. I could be wrong.
 

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Wouldn't that still mean the FL5 is faster? I would suspect they do a warm lap then 2-3 laps and take the fastest time. I could be wrong.
Well, yes but in this scenario, hypothetically, it could have done the whole lap at the exact same speed, except for the first straight prior to the lap even starting (where it crossed the start line at a higher speed).

I think the way you describe it with the laps is correct, I'm just thinking that it's a fairly 'flimsy' comparison test - given the speed prior to the actual time starting can effect the overall time.
 

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Nurburgring times are done with a rolling start, too. Cars that are capable of crossing the start line at a higher speed aren’t penalized for it. That’s kind of the whole point; the car is faster.
 


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I'm just hoping the car is optimised for the roads, all roads, and not over focused on ring times that it sacrifices day to day driving. The ring is such a big circuit that you only have to find a tiny gain in one area for that to be amplified and add up to a big number at the end of the lap - that's why so many manufacturers use it, it sounds better than saying it is 0.3 seconds faster around Silverstone.

As such - I couldn't care less about the time, just give me a well sorted car!

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Absolutely agree. ND, for example, is a great car for daily use because Mazda designed it for compliance. You can live near terrible roads, but the car will still be fun to drive.

That said, I'm sure the FL5 will be great in that aspect as well, since the FK8 was already very good. Too many cars these days have "adjustable" damping that either do nothing or too much.
 

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Nurburgring times are done with a rolling start, too. Cars that are capable of crossing the start line at a higher speed aren’t penalized for it. That’s kind of the whole point; the car is faster.
Yes that's true, however in that case, the start speed compared to the overall lap time is a much smaller percentage - but yes.

Either way, what I was really getting at however, was whether the FK8 vs FL5 difference in lap time at Suzuka was just purely down to how well the final corner exit on the prior lap might have been rather than anywhere else (given we do know it crossed the start line faster).
 

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Yes that's true, however in that case, the start speed compared to the overall lap time is a much smaller percentage - but yes.

Either way, what I was really getting at however, was whether the FK8 vs FL5 difference in lap time at Suzuka was just purely down to how well the final corner exit on the prior lap might have been rather than anywhere else (given we do know it crossed the start line faster).
If the FL5 corner exit was faster, that means it would've faster on the same corner exit on its timed lap anyway, so it's fine. Flying laps are pretty good at ironing out inconsistencies.
 

 
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