That, to me, is MSRP. Doc fees I kind of figure as completely unavoidable, and 199 is as low as I've seen anyway. Killer deal; the CTR can't be beat if had at MSRP. No better bargain out there in the enthusiast landscape IMO.
That said, I could NOT get that deal, but I did find one at $5k over...
This is exactly where I'm at. I have a deposit on an ITS at MSRP, but no end in sight for actually getting a car. Forum chatter suggests it could be months, and I don't even necessarily have a "place in line" so to speak..
Also, it is quite a bit more expensive, especially factoring in...
I took a couple months off being in the CTR market while the ITS fiasco unfolded. Now it looks like the ITS is becoming the new CTR with dealer markups/lack of availability, but meanwhile inventory for FL5 CTRs appears to be at an all -time high. Is there any documented proof that anyone other...
The Type R doesn't have an auto-dimming mirror?
That's actually pretty inexcusable.
That said I'm looking at Type R tomorrow. Not in the mood to be on a never-ending waitlist for an ITS.
@savagegeese YouTube reviewers and random people alike are weighing in that the shifter feel is different from the CTR. I think that's nonsense. Can you validate?
There's murmurings about the initial batch of cars to hit dealer inventories will be limited in what spec they'll come in. Word is that color combos will be very specific; e.g., if I wanted a white car it would only be available with red interior.
If that's the case, I'll pass until I can get...
Again, I wasn't in the room so I definitely can't tell you why they made the decision. I like the comment about the economies of scale; there probably will be more CTRs as they will be spread out across the globe.
Also, the Integra's fenders look more aggressive. The Civic is far more subtle...
It's not going to be an issue, stop worrying about it. Or if you can't get past it, buy a CTR? Nothing wrong with that either. I'm just glad to have the option.
And while I wasn't in the room when the decision was made to do the fenders this way, I can't argue with the end result. The design...
Again with the fender talk, it really is crazy how much this bothers people.
How long have cars come with "tacked on" side skirts? Spoilers? This is nothing new. It's being added at the factory, not glued on by some shady 19 year old body shop apprentice. It's less likely to "peel off" than...
See, great point. To me, all of your complaints come from a place that is completely irrelevant to me. Even in a vacuum, I don't agree with any of them. You saying you cut your teeth on an integra as your introduction to fun cars makes even less sense.
Thanks for providing a valuable data point...
Yeah, your post was just like the 12th time I'd seen it referenced and it was the breaking point.
Yeah the F87 has a lot of fans. I see some similarities with what happened with that car and this ITS. F87 guys would go out of their way to express how much they disliked very specific elements...
It's ok for me to question it, because my opinion is that opinion is wrong.
That said, I was also considering the G87 BMW M2 and that car has been getting absolutely hammered by the peanut gallery. This car is getting a downright joyous celebration in comparison.
I think part of it is that IMO...
Why is this such a big deal? The car looks great. If you don't think it does, I don't think "fully integrated" fenders would do it for you, either.
It's a $50k car. There are going to be compromises.
Know what else is $50k? A Ford Explorer. In fact, it's not difficult to find them over $60k...
This is 10000% accurate. Just happened to me in October with my 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 "at MSRP"... got creamed on trade value for a 2019 718 BGTS "but the tax credit"... not much I could do as I placed the order in January (10 months prior) and I was standing next to the car.
Buyer beware. Even...
Someone already said it, but name one other German sedan/hatch available with a manual. That's a big differentiator right there.
I'm thinking just under $50k. I think Honda probably sees what people are paying for CTRs and will want to get in on that. Especially as this seems to be coming in...
I think a $5k ADM I could live with, assuming a fair trade value. Honestly that's what I might be looking at as we progress through the summer. If I can get some kicks with it through spring and summer, it will still probably fetch a favorable trade assessment as fall starts rolling in. I'll...
Great response! Lots of similarities here. And the thing is, technically I'm a "4 car family", as both of my kids have their own cars. The 718 is my "daily driver" in the sense that it's my only car- but I don't have a commute. Literally the only thing I'd need the back seat for is the dog...
Not sure exactly why your mind instantly went to "sacrifice the wife's car", but that's off the table (I drive it just as much as she does anyway)
To be perfectly honest, the 95B.3 Macan GTS is the best car I've ever driven. I barely even have to qualify it with a "for what it is". Somehow...
Without getting into hypotheticals (I didn't qualify for the $1200 stimulus I don't think it's worth thinking about a million dollar stimulus), my car is still fetching ADMs at many dealers. I didn't pay one. It makes zero sense for me to trade it in at a loss AND pay another ADM.
If the Type R...