Prl Turbo Kit on a CVT.....

[Alj888]

Hi Everyone, I’m pretty new here so don’t bash on me..... I’m am a proud owner of a stock 2016 Honda Civic touring...yes...CVT... don’t hate or say should’ve gotten a manual it wasn’t my choice!! Anyways I wanna see what this car can do. Talking basically a full bolt on car. Looking for opinions on things such as Prl turbo, full bolt ons, best tires, light wheels and best size,18-8? Etc. spoilers and splitters? Best suspension? Coilovers? Basically looking to fully build my car keeping torque under 250-275 and making as much hp as possible. Hoping for 300-320 hp!! Looking for recommendations as well as advice. I would love for prl to get in here and tell me if their turbo kit is okay for the cvt!

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[Sly_Si]

Hi Everyone, I’m pretty new here so don’t bash on me..... I’m am a proud owner of a stock 2016 Honda Civic touring...yes...CVT... don’t hate or say should’ve gotten a manual it wasn’t my choice!! Anyways I wanna see what this car can do. Talking basically a full bolt on car. Looking for opinions on things such as Prl turbo, full bolt ons, best tires, light wheels and best size,18-8? Etc. spoilers and splitters? Best suspension? Coilovers? Basically looking to fully build my car keeping torque under 250-275 and making as much hp as possible. Hoping for 300-320 hp!! Looking for recommendations as well as advice. I would love for prl to get in here and tell me if their turbo kit is okay for the cvt!

If you have the money, do it man.
Your ride, your pride.

 

[jred721]

Can the CVT even reliably handle the PRL Turbo Kit's added power? That should be the question here to be honest. I seriously doubt the longevity of a CVT Touring with a PRL Turbo and other bolt ons, just what my common sense is telling me. If you dont give 2 shits about that though and just want to throw it on and have fun with it, then more power to you.

 

[kytos]

CVT can't take much torque, you will have to tune for safe and I think the PRL turbo kit is overkill for this... Is your car and your money tho, do what you want and share the results.

 

[gtman]

The last two answers are right on the money.

In my opinion, the stock turbo tuned properly with KTuner or Hondata is the limit with the CVT. I think you'll be surprised how much different the car feels tuned with just the stock turbo.

Realistically, if you want a better platform to upgrade to the PRL turbo, trade in for an Si.

 

[charleswrivers]

OPs a bit old but I figure I'll throw in my .02.

I'd say you ought to have a 3rd option. Since you're talking about paying money for a turbo, somewhere in there you should be thinking a custom tune vice just trying to run a reflash. I think the PRL turbo does have a reflash solely based on it as well.

Even stock, a custom tune, knowing you have a CVT can limit the CVT damaging torque peak and really work out your peak power with maybe a little more boost but certainly more timing to give you the most you can get.

You can reach around 300 whp towards the top of your RPM range while not exceeding the 250 ft-lb limit I've heard recommended for CVTs. A tuner just needs to set the right boost targets to substantially limit boost. You might, if you decide to take the plunge, also look at the 27Won turbo. It may make less power, but I think it's price point is more aggressive and retains the stock wastegate for more precise boost control over the RPM range. though I haven't looked at them for awhile.

So far as...

don’t hate or say should’ve gotten a manual it wasn’t my choice

...I don't want to pull out my jump to conclusions mat too much, but if you're a young person and this car was bought for you or you share it with a significant other who needed it to have a CVT and you both rely on it to work and not have the CVT eat itself from pushing it too hard... I'd leave it stock, reflash or etune to make the top as good as it can be while requesting low/midrange torque to be limited. I shall now put it away.

I know reflashed cars will exceed 200 whp by a little bit. I don't know what an etune car can do but I imagine there's still some power up top where the CVT would lock into peak power to be had. While it's a Si with some differences the biggest being a turbo with less backpressure and I'd guess the compression and intake come into play a bit too, the TSP stage 1 gives 237 whp... and it's still just a (very) hot reflash. A proper etune might approach this number. I just don't know. I can't think of ever seeing a tuned/etuned CVT dyno being posted for reference. I know a CVT has outstanding acceleration compared to a similarly powered manual car by power getting locked to peak, no shifts to interrupt power or lose boost pressure. You come looking to chase numbers but numbers aren't everything. I've followed @gtman and his tweaking on basemaps and talkings between Ktuner and Hondata as a tuning option. I don't know that he's ever stuck his car on a dyno... but it sounds like a rocket for what it is. If he and I were to drag race, even if I could post higher peak numbers, I wouldn't be confident I'd beat a reflashed CVT in a straight line under 100 mph, especially if we're on the same rubber. If nothing else, don't worry about numbers for now... get a tuner, reflash and see how things go from there. The amount if stuff you're talking of doing is extensive. Just start there.

 

[Alj888]

OPs a bit old but I figure I'll throw in my .02.

I'd say you ought to have a 3rd option. Since you're talking about paying money for a turbo, somewhere in there you should be thinking a custom tune vice just trying to run a reflash. I think the PRL turbo does have a reflash solely based on it as well.

Even stock, a custom tune, knowing you have a CVT can limit the CVT damaging torque peak and really work out your peak power with maybe a little more boost but certainly more timing to give you the most you can get.

You can reach around 300 whp towards the top of your RPM range while not exceeding the 250 ft-lb limit I've heard recommended for CVTs. A tuner just needs to set the right boost targets to substantially limit boost. You might, if you decide to take the plunge, also look at the 27Won turbo. It may make less power, but I think it's price point is more aggressive and retains the stock wastegate for more precise boost control over the RPM range. though I haven't looked at them for awhile.

So far as...



...I don't want to pull out my jump to conclusions mat too much, but if you're a young person and this car was bought for you or you share it with a significant other who needed it to have a CVT and you both rely on it to work and not have the CVT eat itself from pushing it too hard... I'd leave it stock, reflash or etune to make the top as good as it can be while requesting low/midrange torque to be limited. I shall now put it away.

I know reflashed cars will exceed 200 whp by a little bit. I don't know what an etune car can do but I imagine there's still some power up top where the CVT would lock into peak power to be had. While it's a Si with some differences the biggest being a turbo with less backpressure and I'd guess the compression and intake come into play a bit too, the TSP stage 1 gives 237 whp... and it's still just a (very) hot reflash. A proper etune might approach this number. I just don't know. I can't think of ever seeing a tuned/etuned CVT dyno being posted for reference. I know a CVT has outstanding acceleration compared to a similarly powered manual car by power getting locked to peak, no shifts to interrupt power or lose boost pressure. You come looking to chase numbers but numbers aren't everything. I've followed @gtman and his tweaking on basemaps and talkings between Ktuner and Hondata as a tuning option. I don't know that he's ever stuck his car on a dyno... but it sounds like a rocket for what it is. If he and I were to drag race, even if I could post higher peak numbers, I wouldn't be confident I'd beat a reflashed CVT in a straight line under 100 mph, especially if we're on the same rubber. If nothing else, don't worry about numbers for now... get a tuner, reflash and see how things go from there. The amount if stuff you're talking of doing is extensive. Just start there.

Appreciate the reply’s.... ended up leaving the car completely stock and have had multiple issues with electrical and transmission not functioning correctly and breaking. So Honda is offering my money back or a replacement. I chose to get my money back just haven’t figured out whether what car I want. Originally was going to buy a ctr but it’s too much for me. Now I’m looking at a wrx, Hyundai volester N, an older Cts v, and a bmw m228i!!

 

[charleswrivers]

Appreciate the reply’s.... ended up leaving the car completely stock and have had multiple issues with electrical and transmission not functioning correctly and breaking. So Honda is offering my money back or a replacement. I chose to get my money back just haven’t figured out whether what car I want. Originally was going to buy a ctr but it’s too much for me. Now I’m looking at a wrx, Hyundai volester N, an older Cts v, and a bmw m228i!!

After your experience, I'd definitely shop around to feel good about getting another Civic by knowing there's nothing else you'd prefer.

Good luck!

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