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You're getting a lot of flack, and I don't agree with everything you said, but I do agree that these newer Honda engines are a bit soulless. It's the one thing that has kept me from pulling the trigger. Had I never gotten the opportunity to test drive an FL5, I would almost certainly own one at...

Be persistent. Every MSRP deal I have been offered so far was a dealer who started at 5-10k ADM but then called me at the end of the month trying to make a deal and hit their numbers.

What is the coverage like on that? Is it an extension of the factory warranty? Because if so, that would be a fantastic deal.

Zimbrick Honda WI - SGP at MSRP if anyone wants it.

My experience as well. I have had several dealers in the past month or two incessantly calling/texting me about 3-5k ADMs and most have not sold despite all the lines salespeople are giving me about exclusivity. The only one that sold relatively quickly was MSRP up in WI, and even that took a...

Just for future reference, if you have the leverage, you can absolutely decline something already put on the car and the dealer may eat it. Particularly spray-on BS like this because the cost of it is 95% profit and they would lose very little if you refused to pay for it. Even doc fees are...

I think you can do better than 4.5k over MSPR right now, personally. I'm putting in zero legwork and I'm having dealers I reached out to previously messaging me about sitting CTRs and several have gone <5k ADM without me even negotiating. I imagine if you show up in person to a [reasonable]...

They have all been 24 models. Zimbrick Honda in WI is the one at MSRP if anyone wants to grab it. CW.

Is the ADM craze finally over? I have one dealer begging me to buy their car at 3k ADM and no one is buying it. I just received an email for another CTR at MSRP. This dealership was 10k ADM "firm" just a few months ago. Another dealer trying to negotiate a 5k ADM with me and no one is buying...

I suspect it's whatever you negotiate with them. They only offered me that because I have another pending deal that includes a clear bra

If anyone is looking for a CW FL5, McCarthy Honda in Kansas City has one and seems pretty motivated to make a deal. Ask for Lyle. Initially told me 10k ADM. Then 5k. Then 5k + clear bra thrown in. That was with zero attempted negotiation on my part. I wouldn't be surprised if you can get them...

Yep. Ed Napleton(?) Honda in St Peters MO is trying to pull this crap on me now. They called me after I had reached out probably a year ago to tell me they had a new CTR at a great price. Wouldn't commit on the phone to a price. Then someone else from the dealership started texting me and...

How does one reserve a car if they don't do waitlists? They are inconsistent IME, and this is what I mean by that. I "reserved" their "first" FL5 a long time ago (according to them). Then they sell their first two to employees, which was never communicated to me. Now they have sold their third...

KCMO is a shitshow when it comes to getting a CTR. We have one dealer that supposedly sells MSRP to locals (Olathe). I got on their list probably close to two years ago, was told I was first on the list, and have been ghosted ever since. I can't even get them to respond to an inquiry to see if...

Are we still begging for 7.5k ADMs? I've had two dealers in the past month send me an unsolicited email about an incoming FL5 with ADMS at 7 and 7.5k. Zimbrick Honda was one, can't remember the other

Were you guys on their waitlist? I called them ~ 6 months ago and their list was a 100 people deep.

All very fair points. I decided to stick with my ITS reservation and should have it sometime this year. I still think I slightly prefer the CTR, but with markups I don't feel I'm getting enough to justify 50k on it.

That's fair, this is largely an emotional purchase rather than a practical one. I've never driven either an FL5 or DE5, only ridden in an FL5, so it's hard for me to say what I would prefer day to day. It would be a daily driver, but we have a family car as well. The ITS seems like a better...

I skimmed but not sure if I missed this, so I will ask - at what price point do you prefer the FL5 to the DE5 and vice versa? Right now I am on waitlists for an FL5 at 6k over MSRP, 5k over MSRP, and 1k over MSRP (but will probably never get an allocation, truthfully). I now have an ITS @ MSRP...

Hey, appreciate you looking out! I'm in Kansas City so it'd have to be a pretty generous definition of "local" 😅