25% Tariff being put on all imported cars like the CTR

[CTR]

If the vehicle is already in the US, I believe no Tarrifs are applied. Seems inventory on dealer lots will go quick if this is the case.

Dealers are not stupid. If they know that their incoming inventory will have a 25% tariff they will increase the price of their existing inventory accordingly. The manufacturers have been planning for this and have pricing figured out for when it hits.

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[blueroadster]

The current administration is obviously quite different than the previous. IHMO, try not to call a "lid" or be a quick rush to judgement to gaslighting. At least give it a few weeks to let things settle after both sides of the table have negotiated an agreement.

In the interim, I would be happy to sell my used FL5 for a starting bid price of $55K.

 

[JTypeR]

Looks like the Type R is officially getting the axe in North America after 2025, lol.
Honda built the Type R for true car enthusiasts, but there’s just no way they’re making enough margin to keep it going. Even if parts like the engine and a few components drop by 25%, you’re still dealing with double-digit import taxes on top of MSRP.

That might keep FL5 prices high for a while, but the downside is that the aftermarket scene will probably shrink fast since the car’s only been around for three years.

Note that these tariffs won't be felt right away as inventory will sit for a while but man Idk the whole market just jumped in price.

At this point, the move might just be to go buy a Type S.

 

[Tougefl5]

First of all America has the biggest economy. This means in order to continue being competitive with American products imported products will need to lower the prices.
Secondly you will see domestic products enter new markets overseas. Think ford trucks in Germany. The people in Kentucky just got a raise. The people in greer south Carolina that will be building BMW vehicles just got a raise.
Detroit has a chance to rebuild from the 3rd world city it's become.
In my Russell Westbrook voice '' yall tripping''

 

[Cueyo]

Yeah, imo this is the end of the CTR in the states if the law goes through. No reason for Honda to push a car that no one will buy, especially when it'll be more than it was due to dealer markups

 

[ABPDE5]

First of all America has the biggest economy. This means in order to continue being competitive with American products imported products will need to lower the prices.
Secondly you will see domestic products enter new markets overseas. Think ford trucks in Germany. The people in Kentucky just got a raise. The people in greer south Carolina that will be building BMW vehicles just got a raise.
Detroit has a chance to rebuild from the 3rd world city it's become.
In my Russell Westbrook voice '' yall tripping''

Some companies with products subject to tariffs may lower prices, but many with products that are exempt will take the opportunity to raise prices, as well. Additionally, many of these tariffs impact products that are assembled in the US because of complicated supply lines. Realistically, we probably won't see many prices increase by 25%, but I doubt many, if any, products will stay where they are, either. If your competitors' prices go up, it's in your best interest to also increase yours -- just not as much. For example, assuming BMW is tariff-exempt but competing products from Mercedes, Audi, and Lexus see a 25% price increase, BMW is incentivized to increase prices 15-20% -- they come in below their competition but increase margins substantially.

And, as evidenced by the last 6 years, companies are unlikely to pass wage increases to employees commensurate with price-level increases (and that was when they were also seeing substantial returns on investments).

Additionally, Ford already sells trucks in Germany. The Ranger is on a 10 year run as Europe's most popular truck (including holding >50% of the market in Ger). It's possible they might see sales attrition d/t anti-American and "buy local" sentiment.

 

[Bigfx]

First of all America has the biggest economy. This means in order to continue being competitive with American products imported products will need to lower the prices.
Secondly you will see domestic products enter new markets overseas. Think ford trucks in Germany. The people in Kentucky just got a raise. The people in greer south Carolina that will be building BMW vehicles just got a raise.
Detroit has a chance to rebuild from the 3rd world city it's become.
In my Russell Westbrook voice '' yall tripping''

i think this is where most people are completely misconstrued about the reality of the American market. The US is not the biggest market as Indian/China are growing rapidly and are easily going to outpace the American market on population alone. Tariffs don’t work at least not in the global market we have allowed ourselves to be in, maybe if this was the 70’s etc that concept would work but the American people are addicted to cheap goods and the massive increases to cost having a majority of goods made domestically is just going to lower the overall quality of life and the worst part is we are so far away from actually being able to produce a majority of our own goods that at best we would catch up in a good 10-20 years. During that 10-20 year time frame we would end up watching multiple countries put us into economic isolation as payback and we could see a recession that makes 2008 look like a walk in the park. The panic is real as we are heading into scary times a lot of people will lose their standard of living and if you are boomer/older gen x good luck with that crashing 401k and run away inflation. IMHO these tariffs are games that rich people like to play and unfortunately it will take its toll on the middle class, trade wars benefit no one and if waged wrong could end up putting us against the world.

 

[Tougefl5]

Some companies with products subject to tariffs may lower prices, but many with products that are exempt will take the opportunity to raise prices, as well. Additionally, many of these tariffs impact products that are assembled in the US because of complicated supply lines. Realistically, we probably won't see many prices increase by 25%, but I doubt many, if any, products will stay where they are, either. If your competitors' prices go up, it's in your best interest to also increase yours -- just not as much. For example, assuming BMW is tariff-exempt but competing products from Mercedes, Audi, and Lexus see a 25% price increase, BMW is incentivized to increase prices 15-20% -- they come in below their competition but increase margins substantially.

And, as evidenced by the last 6 years, companies are unlikely to pass wage increases to employees commensurate with price-level increases (and that was when they were also seeing substantial returns on investments).

Additionally, Ford already sells trucks in Germany. The Ranger is on a 10 year run as Europe's most popular truck (including holding >50% of the market in Ger). It's possible they might see sales attrition d/t anti-American and "buy local" sentiment.

If the amount of American exports was close to the European import was even close then you might have a case for argument. Europe is in shambles Germany might just be the worst. We couldn't even have that conversation in the country. Literally aged out has to import people just to exist.

i think this is where most people are completely misconstrued about the reality of the American market. The US is not the biggest market as Indian/China are growing rapidly and are easily going to outpace the American market on population alone. Tariffs don’t work at least not in the global market we have allowed ourselves to be in, maybe if this was the 70’s etc that concept would work but the American people are addicted to cheap goods and the massive increases to cost having a majority of goods made domestically is just going to lower the overall quality of life and the worst part is we are so far away from actually being able to produce a majority of our own goods that at best we would catch up in a good 10-20 years. During that 10-20 year time frame we would end up watching multiple countries put us into economic isolation as payback and we could see a recession that makes 2008 look like a walk in the park. The panic is real as we are heading into scary times a lot of people will lose their standard of living and if you are boomer/older gen x good luck with that crashing 401k and run away inflation. IMHO these tariffs are games that rich people like to play and unfortunately it will take its toll on the middle class, trade wars benefit no one and if waged wrong could end up putting us against the world.

half of China wasn't starving the other half wasn't old as dirt and people were having children economy of dominant population could be a topic of discussion IMHO.

India has a very long way to go before it's a serious world player. There's more people without indoor plumbing than people with it.
American tech pulls out of India what's to replace it.
What gets misconstrued is the American fighting spirit and will for excellence.

 

[Robo7]

This thread makes it pretty clear who has an understanding of economics. The price of all cars, new and used, is about to increase in the US. You can stand there in blissful ignorance and deny it, but saying it won’t happen won’t stop it from happening.

 

[Cueyo]

This thread makes it pretty clear who has an understanding of economics. The price of all cars, new and used, is about to increase in the US. You can stand there in blissful ignorance and deny it, but saying it won’t happen won’t stop it from happening.

And that's the thing, for people who want foreign cars it's gonna be terrible. But even if you don't want an import, it gives allowance to other auto manufacturers to hike up prices. In the long run this will be good for American auto manufacturers, but the road there will be paved in crazy dealer markups and the used market once again going to shit. Worst part is that the American auto manufacturers aren't even entirely making cars in America (though I believe the term America can refer to Mexico and Canada in legal terms)

 

[Bigfx]

If the amount of American exports was close to the European import was even close then you might have a case for argument. Europe is in shambles Germany might just be the worst. We couldn't even have that conversation in the country. Literally aged out has to import people just to exist.



half of China wasn't starving the other half wasn't old as dirt and people were having children economy of dominant population could be a topic of discussion IMHO.

India has a very long way to go before it's a serious world player. There's more people without indoor plumbing than people with it.
American tech pulls out of India what's to replace it.
What gets misconstrued is the American fighting spirit and will for excellence.

respectfully disagree on both your points China as a whole is growing and with a 98% literacy rate and basically open check book they will win the game we are playing. Also India has grown leaps and bounds and while poverty is an issue the growth of their middle class through outsourcing ( not addressed by tariffs) and medical manufacturing has put them on course to eclipse the United States, the brics countries will be the dominant economic force in this world soon and that’s just a fact. In regards to the American spirit just look at what happen to us during COVID price gouging and a political polarization that has destroyed discourse and allowed the state we are in now. If this was 2001, 1943 or a time when political charlatans hadn’t perverted and dissected the population for monetary gains and “clicks” maybe but now we have become self righteous pricks who can’t stand someone unless they agree with our beliefs.

 

[Bigfx]

And that's the thing, for people who want foreign cars it's gonna be terrible. But even if you don't want an import, it gives allowance to other auto manufacturers to hike up prices. In the long run this will be good for American auto manufacturers, but the road there will be paved in crazy dealer markups and the used market once again going to shit. Worst part is that the American auto manufacturers aren't even entirely making cars in America (though I believe the term America can refer to Mexico and Canada in legal terms)

the reason the American auto market went to crap was lack of innovation and the stock buy backs. Corporations only care about growth and stock prices vs quality products, it’s going to take a lot more than tariffs to correct a death spiral culture of constant growth to push up stock prices. Look at Boeing etc, once engineering pinnacles now penny pinching safety measures the problem is we have propped up the auto industry and we should have let them crash on 08, and the ones that reinvested and reinvented themselves with good products and attention to their customers vs the stock holders would have prevailed.

 

[chemreac]

I bought my on black friday, for this very reason, i just finally got into my actual job and off a contract I was on. 4 months of struggle with my payment is finally over, but no way in hell would i have paid a tariff on top.

Msrp 2025 BB, had a 24 Si that had 9k miles that i didnt pay a markup on and got 28.7k trade in, i lost a little money, but nothing like going to get one now .

 

[Tougefl5]

respectfully disagree on both your points China as a whole is growing and with a 98% literacy rate and basically open check book they will win the game we are playing. Also India has grown leaps and bounds and while poverty is an issue the growth of their middle class through outsourcing ( not addressed by tariffs) and medical manufacturing has put them on course to eclipse the United States, the brics countries will be the dominant economic force in this world soon and that’s just a fact. In regards to the American spirit just look at what happen to us during COVID price gouging and a political polarization that has destroyed discourse and allowed the state we are in now. If this was 2001, 1943 or a time when political charlatans hadn’t perverted and dissected the population for monetary gains and “clicks” maybe but now we have become self righteous pricks who can’t stand someone unless they agree with our beliefs.

Disagreement is a wonderful right that we are allowed to have. However your post doesn't really do anything other than speculate on what could be. Same as mine only difference is one of us advocate for slave labor and the other is open to all discourses.
Political polarizing is actually a Chinese export just ask Mao and we know how that ends
It's pretty obvious that we are over cheap products produced by slave labor. I just spent 20 bucks on two drinks at Starbucks lol

 

[Bigfx]

Disagreement is a wonderful right that we are allowed to have. However your post doesn't really do anything other than speculate on what could be. Same as mine only difference is one of us advocate for slave labor and the other is open to all discourses.
Political polarizing is actually a Chinese export just ask Mao and we know how that ends
It's pretty obvious that we are over cheap products produced by slave labor. I just spent 20 bucks on two drinks at Starbucks lol

I mean minimum wage in this country is what? Also this administration wants to expand HB1 visas which essentially impact middle class people by allowing foreign workers to do jobs highly educated Americans would be paid more for, and as apparent from COVID mass corporate profits do not translate into reinvestment and increased wages. Just because we make it here doesn’t mean we will pay people more to make it here, so we will just have people working 40-50 hours a week and not being able to afford a home and now a car. So we will just pay Americans slave wages, cool.

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