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But this one has not yet been measured, so it is a bit presumptuous to say it is not the right size. If I get it, I will have it measured to confirm.

How do you know the K&N one is not the same size as stock?

The intake area looks pretty well sealed, so I think this will perform well. Not sure how much difference you will see between similarly constructed intakes. Also, quick question. Is the MAF size for the Si and Non-Si the same for 2022? This is listed for all Civic models and I wanted to confirm.

I’ll try this. Always had good results with the K&N system.

Actually found my first real pet peeve. They didn’t put interior trim on the interior rear part of the doors. It’s the first time I have ever seen painted exterior sheet metal in the inside of a car.

Can everything V2 do be done with the V1.2 via the Ktuner App on a tablet (like map switching)? I'm not a fan of the bulky V2 and would use a small 4" android tablet to operate it instead.

It wasn’t logic, it was an observation, don’t get the two confused. It was an observation based on limited sample that I have seen when at the shop with my drift car and looking at what the Honda’s had when they were getting tuned. This is why I kept asking for actual data like Axion had...

That was the type of info I was looking for. Thank you for the response.

That’s just a feature set, not a comparison. Every time I am at the Tuner, all the high horsepower modern Hondas they have their are running Hondata, even Honda and Spoon use Hondata. From what I see if I do basic mods, K-Tuner appears not canned tune friendly, but for high horsepower custom...

What are the additional features?

I just saw this too. Would the hole be visible or is it hidden by plastic?

I use these, I think they make generic OBD2 verisions. You can display 5 parameters at a time. Banks Power 66560 Banks Power iDash 1.8 Super Gauges | Summit Racing

I did the front lip, the little carbon trim around the fake fog light thing, carbon HPD style side skirts, carbon rear splitters on the bumper, carbon trim on the rear bumper, black door handles, and red Hs. Next mods will be clutch, head studs, ethanol conversion, a tune, and better tires.

For practicality, that when the parking garage attendant gets out of the car, it doesn’t roll into a wall. Personally, I prefer the control it offers in certain situations. Electronic is on and off, manual brake has adjustability.

From what I seen Ktuner is more user friendly if you are using OTS tunes from like TSP and Phearable, but I asked my tuner and he prefers Hondata. From what I heard, Hondata has more parameters and you can tune on the fly whereas the Ktuner is a bit more limited and you have to reflash after...

Not having a real hand brake. I despise an electronic handbrake in a manual car.

Probably not going to happen since they don’t have the sedan in Japan.

Thanks I will try the brake hold function. Could help my car from rolling away in a parking garage!

So an increased KC causes you to pull timing? What causes increased KC? Knock sensor or the O2 sensor values?

I thought those knock control value were a value use to calculate octane as a derivative used in the ignition table? Like you can never drop below .49 with 93 octane.