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  1. FL5 Civic Type R at C&D Lightning Lap 2023 -- lap time beats FK8 by 1.9 seconds!

    You can add various models of the 2020 GT350R's and 2022 GT500 CFTP vehicles to that list which are selling well above MSRP.
  2. FL5 Civic Type R at C&D Lightning Lap 2023 -- lap time beats FK8 by 1.9 seconds!

    If you haven't already been over this way, there is a great road course only ~3.5 hours away from your area therefore you might want to head over to the Chuckwalla Valley Raceway which is located near Desert Center, Ca. and just off of I-10 and is about 1.5 hours East of Palm Springs. Lots of...
  3. FL5 Civic Type R at C&D Lightning Lap 2023 -- lap time beats FK8 by 1.9 seconds!

    A short recap of your previous remarks. * Notorious fitting front bumper/grill with bumper sag with the skirts fitting horribly * FK8 paint was a complete joke * An embarrassing Bose audio system * Inferior material quality * Inferior door handles/opening/closing doors * More cabin noise and...
  4. FL5 Civic Type R at C&D Lightning Lap 2023 -- lap time beats FK8 by 1.9 seconds!

    Appreciate all your detailed explanations and so sorry to hear about your negative experience with your 2017 CTR as that was certainly not the case when I purchased my 2018 CTR some 5 years ago as my wife and I both loved driving that vehicle especially when in a spirited manner. Based on...
  5. FL5 Civic Type R at C&D Lightning Lap 2023 -- lap time beats FK8 by 1.9 seconds!

    Based on your extensive list of issues for the 5-year run of the CTR FK8 it is a wonder that Honda was actually able to sell over 48,000 units around the world let alone be awarded so many world wide automotive awards and accolades over the years. Obviously the automotive press and more...
  6. FL5 Civic Type R at C&D Lightning Lap 2023 -- lap time beats FK8 by 1.9 seconds!

    Yes, I sited 2 North American Honda assembly plants as examples which obviously confirms that Honda is very comfortable building high profile models and engines outside of Japan despite what was originally mentioned by a previous poster. Over the 5-year production run for the 1st generation...
  7. FL5 Civic Type R at C&D Lightning Lap 2023 -- lap time beats FK8 by 1.9 seconds!

    Been following the Car and Driver Lightning Lap since it launched back in 2006 whereby the 2006 Ford GT clocked the fastest lap time that first year at the 4.1 mile VIR Grand Course with a fastest time of 3:00.7. After being a Honda/Acura enthusiast for the last ~37 years, this is just another...
  8. I HOPE HONDA HEARS THIS ABOUT FL5 PRICING!

    Certainly not here to defend Honda or any other brand of dealership, but for you to suggest that they don't have any skin in the game is very difficult to understand. Once a new vehicle leaves the factory and an MSO/MCO is issued that automobile then becomes the property of the dealership which...
  9. 2023 CTR and 2021 CTR LE Both Presently Listed On BaT

    Recently noticed a couple of used 1st and 2nd generation CTR's presently listed for sale on BaT. The 2023 model comes with just 40 miles on that unit and was consigned by a private party. The 2021 LE model has only 123 miles on the odometer and was consigned by a Honda dealership. With both...
  10. Flipper pays $20k over sticker and can’t sell 2023 Type R

    Regarding any brand new Honda/Acura vehicle that is being sold with more than 100 miles on it which supposedly has just "delivery miles" I would walk away immediately and look for another dealership to work with. Of the ~20 brand new Honda/Acura vehicles that I have purchased over the last...
  11. Flipper pays $20k over sticker and can’t sell 2023 Type R

    Having purchased many new vehicles over the last ~55 years and don't ever recall "delivery miles" being in the 125 mile range. As far as this owner supposedly being a flipper, very difficult to imagine that a flipper would actually pay ~$23,300 over MSRP, put over 100 miles on his new flipper...
  12. FK8 LE or FL5 (Sonic Grey)

    Agreed that being charged GST along with many other fees for a returning citizen to the Great White North who has already paid all of the appropriate U.S. taxes/fees for their cars and then requesting additional taxes etc. is not right but unfortunately that is the way that it is. Back in 2012...
  13. FK8 LE or FL5 (Sonic Grey)

    Appreciate the feedback regarding some of the differences between the Canadian and U.S. LE models. I find it interesting that the Swindon factory decided to leave the rear wiper and rear heater ducts on the Canadian LE versions but then they removed the sound deadening material which is the...
  14. FK8 LE or FL5 (Sonic Grey)

    All great points made and for me the key features on the LE including the painted Black roof which I really like a great deal was certainly worth the extra money and with you owning a CTR LE I assume that you felt the same way? Regarding the C&D Lightning Lap which launched ~17 years ago at the...
  15. FK8 LE or FL5 (Sonic Grey)

    Very well put and as the two above models that you referred seem to cater to a different audience thus us automotive enthusiasts have the choice of going with whatever model that makes sense for us so how good is that! Back when the Shelby GT350/R's launched in July 2015 I had the opportunity...
  16. FK8 LE or FL5 (Sonic Grey)

    I suggest that you are making a terrific decision with respect to keeping your 2021 Canadian LE model and when looking back some time from now I think that you will be quite happy with this decision. Great points about the Canadian LE models retaining their rear wiper and heating ducts but did...
  17. FK8 LE or FL5 (Sonic Grey)

    I guess each to their own and happy that you think that an FL5 is superior to an FK8 LE and that "people" are suggesting to get an FL5 if you want to rack up miles but I am not one of them. For me when looking at an FL5 for a vehicle that I could put some miles on versus another 2021 LE was a...
  18. FK8 LE or FL5 (Sonic Grey)

    Agreed but they will certainly not 20" BBS forged aluminum wheels and would be dealership installed 19" Cup 2 tires. Not sure if you have priced out a set of 19" forged aluminum wheels and Michelin Cup 2 tires but it will not be cheap by any means?
  19. FK8 LE or FL5 (Sonic Grey)

    Not sure if you have driven an LE but it certainly offers much more than just long-term appreciation. The Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires along with the light weight Japanese built forged aluminum wheels alone are good reasons to keep that car long-term let alone all of the other cool and unique...


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