25% Tariff being put on all imported cars like the CTR

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Don't put words in my mouth. If you're going to try anyway, at least make an attempt to spell.

I love this country. Do you?

I didn't mean to post that actually, was doing something else got cross posted by accident. Sorry for any confusion there. I fixed the post.

Yeah. I'm working for America this morning actually literally, you're welcome. I did it yesterday and the day before and I will do the same tomorrow. I work weekends right now. 14 hour shifts.

My main point was that you guys are living in a bubble and the majority of Americans who voted for this know that and have moved on with our lives knowing that now, the issues that created this bubble are being dealt with at break neck speeds.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it.

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[citrus]

I didn't mean to post that actually, was doing something else got cross posted by accident. Sorry for any confusion there. I fixed the post.

Yeah. I'm working for America this morning actually literally, you're welcome. I did it yesterday and the day before and I will do the same tomorrow. I work weekends right now. 14 hour shifts.

My main point was that you guys are living in a bubble and the majority of Americans who voted for this know that and have moved on with our lives knowing that now, the issues that created this bubble are being dealt with at break neck speeds.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it.

I'm glad it was a misunderstanding. I think it's hard to say now where the "majority" stands on anything. For as many people who are sorry for their decisions (whether or not for the right reasons), there are also plenty waiting for "promises" to be kept.

To use another horse metaphor, I understand it's no use to beat a dead horse, but I'm not sure the horse is quite dead. And that goes for all sides.

To say we should just "move on" seems premature and unempathetic, as if there's anything even close to a consensus on what we should move on to. I'm probably not qualified to speak on that.

I do know this thread isn't worth your time. I hope you can get some good rest when you can. Take it easy.

 

[Websitesdown]

I'm glad it was a misunderstanding. I think it's hard to say now where the "majority" stands on anything. For as many people who are sorry for their decisions (whether or not for the right reasons), there are also plenty waiting for "promises" to be kept.

To use another horse metaphor, I understand it's no use to beat a dead horse, but I'm not sure the horse is quite dead. And that goes for all sides.

To say we should just "move on" seems premature and unempathetic, as if there's anything even close to a consensus on what we should move on to. I'm probably not qualified to speak on that.

I do know this thread isn't worth your time. I hope you can get some good rest when you can. Take it easy.

No offense bub but, actblue is going to be getting shut down for money laundering which that " independent news group " is or was I should say using for funding. I watched it in entirety.

I've been there myself through my church. I don't buy the propaganda. Neither does everyone that voted for change at this point.

Horses.

I'm fine in regards to rest, I'm young and in shape and have a very big family to feed and America to support.

Thanks for your concerns though. Hopefully here soon when all the dust settles and people start finally going to jail we can all heal and come together again and make America great again.

We were right about COVID and Epstein we'll be right about this too.

 

[Bigfx]

No offense bub but, actblue is going to be getting shut down for money laundering which that " independent news group " is or was I should say using for funding. I watched it in entirety.

I've been there myself through my church. I don't buy the propaganda. Neither does everyone that voted for change at this point.

Horses.

I'm fine in regards to rest, I'm young and in shape and have a very big family to feed and America to support.

Thanks for your concerns though. Hopefully here soon when all the dust settles and people start finally going to jail we can all heal and come together again and make America great again.

We were right about COVID and Epstein we'll be right about this too.

You know a broken clock is right two times a day too. The right has thrown so many accusations against the wall, lol yall remember the pizza place. There is nothing better than watching a bunch of rage filled virgins mad bc they think the world should belong them even though they live in their parents basement.

In regards to COVID and Epstein what were yall right about?
COVID killed a lot of people and your savior was Epsteins frequent flyer, but let’s not talk about that lol. As soon as orange man was elected Epstein seemed to go away and didn’t your boy start operation warp drive? But I digress making America great again, lol the period people refer to it being great again (post WWII) there was segregation and the constant threat of nuclear war and women couldn’t have a bank account, doesn’t sound very great to me. Unless yall are referring to the 70’s with gas lines and disco or maybe the 80’s when crack was sold to the inner cities to fund illegal activities or maybe the 90’s and 2000’s which were dominated by democracts and going to war on false pretenses? Maybe we shouldn’t get rid of the DOE?

So many soft targets and so little time but once again

Tariffs=Bad when used hapahardly and for attention. This will hurt us and our economy.

 

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People already went to jail…

 

[Tougefl5]

You know a broken clock is right two times a day too. The right has thrown so many accusations against the wall, lol yall remember the pizza place. There is nothing better than watching a bunch of rage filled virgins mad bc they think the world should belong them even though they live in their parents basement.

In regards to COVID and Epstein what were yall right about?
COVID killed a lot of people and your savior was Epsteins frequent flyer, but let’s not talk about that lol. As soon as orange man was elected Epstein seemed to go away and didn’t your boy start operation warp drive? But I digress making America great again, lol the period people refer to it being great again (post WWII) there was segregation and the constant threat of nuclear war and women couldn’t have a bank account, doesn’t sound very great to me. Unless yall are referring to the 70’s with gas lines and disco or maybe the 80’s when crack was sold to the inner cities to fund illegal activities or maybe the 90’s and 2000’s which were dominated by democracts and going to war on false pretenses? Maybe we shouldn’t get rid of the DOE?

So many soft targets and so little time but once again

Tariffs=Bad when used hapahardly and for attention. This will hurt us and our economy.

You don't seem very inclusive lol

 

[Bigfx]

You don't seem very inclusive lol

You can be pragmatic about everything, and not every liberal is going to be the same or who knows maybe I’m not even liberal, maybe just maybe I’m a person who sees things for what they are and formed an opinion from years of experience and education. Maybe I have a perspective that isn’t clouded by propaganda from either side and I don’t let my personal qualms or prejudices cloud what is the best way forward.

 

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And someone has already spent $26M taxpayer dollars in 2 months to play golf…

 

[Superhatch]

Trump took office and the economy has gone to more shit than it was. Not sure how people are defending him at this point. I equally loathe both parties but their isn't anything positive to say about anything this administration has done so far.

At the very least Biden had some watered down attempts at making things slightly better (although the dems half-measures of change don't actually enact change and they are still corporate shills like the republicans).

Both parties are corporate captured, conservative parties backed by the richest people in the country, but what's happening now is actually insane. Taking Greenland? Destroying any good will between the only two countries that border you? Telling EU to basically fuck off, telling China to fuck off? Zero statesmanship, zero geopolitical understanding. Honestly I've never seen so many mistakes happen on this scale all at once from any county. It's like I'm watching a high school conservative from Model UN try and run the country.

From an economics standpoint I understand why you would want to use tariffs to help rebuild the US mfg sector, and I actually agree with it. But you don't do them all at once, or in very large values. That's like Econ 101. Literally the first thing I learned in my econ classes at college. You make progressive changes to trade policy while at the same time bolstering the industrial sector of your country so that you are building jobs while at the same time preparing your country for higher costs. Big jumps in tariffs, applied all at once across multiple sectors, without any plan to bolster the mfg infrastructure (in fact cutting a bunch of it, see chips act reduction) is pretty much guaranteeing some form of recession. Again, literally Econ 101.

This 25% tariff, and the others which they have said were happening, then weren't happening, then were 25%, then were 10% then were only going to happen on X items....it's absolutely tactics of people who have no idea what they are doing and it's really starting to show at the base level of where our economy functions.

I work in for an industrial mfg and I oversee 9 plants around the country and have been with this company for 18 years. A LOT of our big customers have placed major projects on hold for this year due to the instability in the economy, and having no understanding of what is coming next. You'll see this from time to time in an election year but I have never seem companies pump the brakes this hard before. That means less plant expansions, less hiring at those plants, less construction around the country, less expected revenue, etc. Unless this administration starts to act rationally were in for some rough times.

I'm an older gen-X which means I've been lucky enough to build my career during (somewhat) more stable economies and have a very robust 401k, own individual stock, and have other investments and I've pulled as much as I could (even taking some losses) and put it into the safest investment vehicles I could find. I'd suggest anyone else do the same.

Lastly I'll get into something more political than economics and that's the disappearing of students and activists (legal visa holders) who have done as little as write one article in their college newspaper about why we should stop our support for Israel. Whatever you feel about that conflict is irrelevant, but as Americans what you should be upset about is masked ICE officials pulling a PhD student off the streets, hiding them away so they have no contact with lawyers or family, not charging them with anything, but implying that happened because of something they said, or wrote.

I don't see the 'freedom of speech' die hards, or the 'don't tread on me' bros getting upset about people being detained because they said things the current government doesn't like. Biden was on the verge of doing similar things, pushing universities to expel people who were protesting, or speaking out against the governments policies. But what's happening now is anti-American.

I live in WI and Musk has been pumping tons of money into our supreme court race (another thing that's super fucked about our electoral system, the ability of individuals or corporations to pump insane amounts of money into campaigns to try and influence elections) which other people have done as well. But he's now offering two 1 million dollar payouts to people who come out and prove they voted. He's since deleted the tweet but it's blatant election interference and against Wisconsin (and most states) election laws. Like most things the guy who said 'I'll end world hunger for 6B dollars if anyone can come up with a plan, who then declined to follow through after multiple groups came up with valid plans, and instead spent 44B on a social media site' does, I'm sure he's not actually going to do it, but just making the offer is against election law and it should be troubling that the richest man in the world is trying to tamper with State elections through blatantly illegal actions.

TLDR: IMO neither party cares about you, or making things better for anyone but their rich benefactors, but this current administration also has no fucking clue what they are doing and were all going to be kinda fucked if they keep on this path.

Edit: Corrected some language 2min after posting.

 

[Tougefl5]

You can be pragmatic about everything, and not every liberal is going to be the same or who knows maybe I’m not even liberal, maybe just maybe I’m a person who sees things for what they are and formed an opinion from years of experience and education. Maybe I have a perspective that isn’t clouded by propaganda from either side and I don’t let my personal qualms or prejudices cloud what is the best way forward.

Not for nothing but your " education " didn't get my reference to inclusion stemming from critical theory.
"You know all that exists deserve to be criticized ruthlessly"
Making any reference to anyone being in a cult is just comical

 

[Bigfx]

Trump took office and the economy has gone to more shit than it was. Not sure how people are defending him at this point. I equally loathe both parties but their isn't anything positive to say about anything this administration has done so far.

At the very least Biden had some watered down attempts at making things slightly better (although the dems half-measures of change don't actually enact change and they are still corporate shills like the republicans).

Both parties are corporate captured, conservative parties backed by the richest people in the country, but what's happening now is actually insane. Taking Greenland? Destroying any good will between the only two countries that border you? Telling EU to basically fuck off, telling China to fuck off? Zero statesmanship, zero geopolitical understanding. Honestly I've never seen so many mistakes happen on this scale all at once from any county. It's like I'm watching a high school conservative from Model UN try and run the country.

From an economics standpoint I understand why you would want to use tariffs to help rebuild the US mfg sector, and I actually agree with it. But you don't do them all at once, or in very large values. That's like Econ 101. Literally the first thing I learned in my econ classes at college. You make progressive changes to trade policy while at the same time bolstering the industrial sector of your country so that you are building jobs while at the same time preparing your country for higher costs. Big jumps in tariffs, applied all at once across multiple sectors is pretty much guaranteeing some form of recession. Again, literally Econ 101.

This 25% tariff, and the others which they have said were happening, then weren't happening, then were 25%, then were 10% then were only going to happen on X items....it's absolutely tactics of people who have no idea what they are doing and it's really starting to show at the base level of where our economy functions.

I work in for an industrial mfg overseeing 9 plants around the country and have been with this company for 18 years. A LOT of our big customers have placed major projects on hold for this year due to the instability in the economy, and having no understanding of what is coming next. You'll see this from time to time in an election year but I have never seem companies pump the brakes this hard before. That means less plant expansions, less hiring at those plants, less construction around the country, less expected revenue, etc. Unless this administration starts to act rationally were in for some rough times.

I'm an older gen-X which means I've been lucky enough to build my career during (somewhat) more stable economies and have a very robust 401k, own individual stock, and have other investments and I've pulled as much as I could (even taking some losses) and put it into the safest investment vehicles I could find. I'd suggest anyone else do the same.

Lastly I'll get into something more political than economics and that's the disappearing of students and activists (legal visa holders) who have done as little as write one article in their college newspaper about why we should stop our support for Israel. Whatever you feel about that conflict is irrelevant, but as Americans what you should be upset about is masked ICE officials pulling a PhD student off the streets, hiding them away so they have no contact with lawyers or family, not charging them with anything, but implying that happened because of something they said, or wrote.

I don't see the 'freedom of speech' die hards, or the 'don't tread on me' bros getting upset about people being detained because they said things the current government doesn't like. Biden was on the verge of doing similar things, pushing universities to expel people who were protesting, or speaking out against the governments policies. But what's happening now is anti-American.

I live in WI and Musk has been pumping tons of money into our supreme court race (another thing that's super fucked about our electoral system, the ability of individuals or corporations to pump insane amounts of money into campaigns to try and influence elections) which other people have done as well. But he's now offering two 1 million dollar payouts to people who come out and prove they voted. He's since deleted the tweet but it's blatant election interference and against Wisconsin (and most states) election laws. Like most things the guy who said 'I'll end world hunger for 6B dollars if anyone can come up with a plan, who then declined to follow through after multiple groups came up with valid plans, and instead spent 44B on a social media site' does, I'm sure he's not actually going to do it, but just making the offer is against election law and it should be troubling that the richest man in the world is trying to tamper with State elections through blatantly illegal actions.

TLDR: IMO neither party cares about you, or making things better for anyone but their rich benefactors, but this current administration also has no fucking clue what they are doing and were all going to be kinda fucked if they keep on this path.

End thread!! Mic drop well written.

 

[Bigfx]

Not for nothing but your " education " didn't get my reference to inclusion stemming from critical theory.
"You know all that exists deserve to be criticized ruthlessly"
Making any reference to anyone being in a cult is just comical

 

[Bigfx]

Not for nothing but your " education " didn't get my reference to inclusion stemming from critical theory.
"You know all that exists deserve to be criticized ruthlessly"
Making any reference to anyone being in a cult is just comical

Oh man I was educated when they made you look up your answers and number 2 pencils were mandatory. You got that one wrong buddy, the only thing critical in my education that may be missing from yours was critical thinking.

 

[Tougefl5]

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Oh man I was educated when they made you look up your answers and number 2 pencils were mandatory. You got that one wrong buddy, the only thing critical in my education that may be missing from yours was critical thinking.

You literally just proved my point in 2 minutes lmfao

 

[Bigfx]

Y



You literally just proved my point in 2 minutes lmfao

Oh man where to start, my references were a bit over your head but I get it. The point was I never really concerned myself with critical race theory or inclusion, hence why I said I’m “old school”. But hey if writing vague posts and getting a sense of victory despite never successfully defending you 9000 other post or whole sense of political understanding then I’m glad that gave you some worth. Maybe we can get you a trophy

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