Considering trading in 718 GTS 4.0 for CTR

[Clark_Kent]

Not sure exactly why your mind instantly went to "sacrifice the wife's car", but that's off the table (I drive it just as much as she does anyway)

To be perfectly honest, the 95B.3 Macan GTS is the best car I've ever driven. I barely even have to qualify it with a "for what it is". Somehow Porsche turned a CUV into a sports car. It's better at being a sports sedan than an RS5, M5, Alfa Giulia Q4, etc.

Many who haven't driven one might be skeptical. I've owned 3 Macans previously and this one is exponentially better than all of them, so if you've driven a Macan before, if it's not a 2022 and up GTS, try to find one and drive it. And try to have $100k ready to buy it, because you'll very like want to...

Seriously, the car is so good it's non-negotiable. Plus it's infinitely more practical.

Mine is optioned to the teeth too, with a $108k MSRP, not including the full Xpel Stealth PPF. Yeah, not happening.

The Macan exceeding my expectations might have something to do with why I haven't completely bonded with my 718, actually...

And I know I haven't been clear- money is only kind of an issue, if that makes sense... I actually don't like my 718 as much as I thought I would. It's also my 3rd Boxster GTS; I've had a 981 and the 2.5T 718 GTS before this one. There's nothing wrong with it- it's just 3 incremental updates at substantially higher cost each sort of.... turned me off? I probably can't fully articulate it. But my whole thought process was that I could enjoy a Type R for my use case enough to justify the severe drop in price... but as I've decided that would only happen if I could get one at MSRP, which isn't likely to happen anytime soon.

If come to find out I have to come out of pocket to the tune of ~$30k extra a year to cover tuition and expenses, then I'll probably just grab an Si or Integra at MSRP and just wait 4 years before reassessing my sports car game... or maybe an FK8 Type R so I can continue to do track stuff. I'm not to that yet... but I've just reached the conclusion I don't feel like dumping $12-15k into a dealer's pockets while losing ~ $20k at the same time on yet another trade. I've talked myself off the cliff- with this thread's help!

Hope that makes sense.

edit- I will admit however that I've been following the Integra Type S story as it develops. That could be another angle I pursue. Probably worth its own thread, but I'm not 100% convinced that I couldn't get a Type S for MSRP. I've already established I can get a G87 M2 at MSRP without really trying, because it seems to be priced appropriately. I think Honda just undersold itself with the CTR, but the Type S might be a harder sell and not have quite the same demand. We'll see... if that's the case I may go that route.

This all makes perfect sense to me. Thanks for sharing. I've heard so much about the Macan GTS and how capable it is; however, I've yet to drive one. Maybe I should? Or maybe not since I may need to buy one afterwards

Your comment on having three Boxsters is interesting. I felt the same way about the BMW F8x M3. Owned three in a relatively short time period, 3 incremental updates (Base, ZCP, CS) with material price increases. As a result, I soured on the car and the brand. I felt like I had F8x fatigue, if that makes sense. Haven't owned an M car since. Anyhow, your experience with multiple Boxsters triggered my memory and I had to share. Whatever you decide, I'm sure it will be in the best interest of your needs and how you feel about your current car situation.

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[optronix]

Traded in a 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 for the type R. Reason being was the cayman was a weekend in only toy for escaping my kids. I put 8,000 miles on it a year doing auto crosses, backroad drives and PCA events.

the type r is superior for the fact I can more regularly drive it and take the kids with my to cars and coffee events along with, enjoy it throughout the week, and take the kids with me to a nice backroad park and enjoy the drive a bit more.

we’re a 3 car family so it wasn’t impossible to keep the Porsche, but I’m kind of looking forward to consolidating cars a bit more.

the fl5 is extremely agile. My wife loves driving it much more than the Porsche. The Porsche felt MUCH more special and could handle a long drive in more comfort than the type r. The Porsche exhaust was intoxicating. But I’ll comment the lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control will likely be a big boon when I’m doing distant track events or coming back from a distant 600 mile backroad drives like I did in the Porsche.

I get more thumbs up in the type r from the everyday Honda owner vs the aloof Porsche and the snooty 911 owners in the PCA clubs. Even had the fun time of lining up with a GR Corolla on the freeway where both of us were in total shock of running into each other back in January.

if You can keep both, keep both. If it’s between spending time with the whole family vs a forever 2-seat dream car I’ll leave it to you to judge. For me I’m picking kids and compromising on the type r for where I’m at. And honestly the decision doesn’t seem like much of a compromise given how agile the type r is.

Great response! Lots of similarities here. And the thing is, technically I'm a "4 car family", as both of my kids have their own cars. The 718 is my "daily driver" in the sense that it's my only car- but I don't have a commute. Literally the only thing I'd need the back seat for is the dog... but I can go places with him, that suits my use case better.

And truth be told, I'm struggling to find the motivation to go on long backroad drives these days. Probably because I'd have to leave the dog behind lol... I wasn't lying that he's become a part of my livelihood, which results in a lifestyle change. And anyone familiar with these dogs, they are a lifestyle.

I would miss having the top down and the intoxicating sound, but yes I do still believe the Type R is a better fit. If only I could find one at MSRP... or at least get MSRP for my car on a trade to feel like I'm not just flushing cash down the toilet, which isn't a good feeling. Neither of which seem likely, if even possible. It's not like I'm not familiar with losing money on trades but the wild market has allowed me to get away with it without feeling too compromised, but that's no longer the case here. I'd lose the equivalent of 3-4 very nice watches just to "move down" to a Type R? I'll pass for now. I make a good living but I'm not rich.

I could be in worse situations to be "stuck" in though, for sure.

Obligatory dog pic because why not.

Macan is like 10 years old right, are they going to make a new IC version or that's it? If not it's a keeper for sure.

The Macan has been around since 2015, yes. It's on its 3rd refresh on the 95B platform, and it will be the last ICE version as the next gen Macan is going fully electric as has been announced for some time. This latest GTS version is the "top" trim level now that the Turbo has been discontinued, and it is a gem of a car.

The same applies to the 718, which is why I elected to get two brand new cars that were delivered within 2 weeks of each other... a "last hurrah" of ICE cars while I wait out whatever the hell is going on in the automotive industry with EVs or alternative fuels. The plan was to keep them both for a very long time, if not forever. The Macan blew away my expectations, the Boxster... met them.

 

[WWM3]

There's even more nuance to this; the current gen (982) is... limited for MY 2024. The GT versions (GT4 and Spyder) are no more, production wraps in June and no further allocations are being handed out. As is the 718 T, which is basically a sporty version of the base car. Base and S cars with the 2.0 and 2.5 turbo engines respectively, and the GTS with the 4.0 naturally aspirated versions will still be produced throughout 2024- but there are pretty severe restrictions on available colors and options. My thoughts are this is due to changing production from the Zuffenhausen factory to the Osnabruck factory. Porsche said they were doing this last year "to meet demand" and in reality what that apparently translated to was this was what would allow them to keep making what is at this point a quite dated platform for another year while they caught up with the development on the electric offerings.

For all intents and purposes, you can still get a base, S, or GTS car, but it will be somewhat compromised (e.g., I hope you didn't want it in Aventurine Green or Carrara White or with carbon buckets), significantly more expensive, and no new development will be coming to the platform (so it still won't come with Android Auto or wireless CarPlay in 2024...).

Also, if rumors are to be believed, the 992.2 911 will at least have a trim level with a naturally aspirated engine. Most think it will be the same 4.0 in my car, but with possibly an electric hybrid drive. Stay tuned- that will definitely make things very interesting.

In any case, I've pretty much decided that if I can find an FL5 at MSRP, I'd most likely do it. (As would pretty much anyone, right?) That's the only way it makes even a bit of sense... although like I said I don't treat my cars as investments, and it's not that I don't think these cars are worth $60k. It's just sort of principal at this point. I got my "last of a generation" car at MSRP, I pretty much refuse to pay markup for anything else. At least in my current situation where cost is a factor but nowhere near a breaking point.

I wouldn’t hesitate to swap the 718 for a Type R given your family situation and the desire to get back into a manual. I have some bias since I’m not a big 718 fan, and I really like my R. It’s a special drive. Maybe more special than a 718 GTS PDK.

That being said, if you aren’t willing to pay an ADM, even a “reasonable” $5k, you aren’t going to buy one of these cars anytime soon. The market is the market. If you can get one at a reasonable ADM, you'll still be in the green (for now). Perhaps you should consider a 6MT 718 GTS swap. However, you might be forced to pay over sticker for that car too...

 

[WWM3]

Not sure exactly why your mind instantly went to "sacrifice the wife's car", but that's off the table (I drive it just as much as she does anyway)

To be perfectly honest, the 95B.3 Macan GTS is the best car I've ever driven. I barely even have to qualify it with a "for what it is". Somehow Porsche turned a CUV into a sports car. It's better at being a sports sedan than an RS5, M5, Alfa Giulia Q4, etc.

Many who haven't driven one might be skeptical. I've owned 3 Macans previously and this one is exponentially better than all of them, so if you've driven a Macan before, if it's not a 2022 and up GTS, try to find one and drive it. And try to have $100k ready to buy it, because you'll very like want to...

Seriously, the car is so good it's non-negotiable. Plus it's infinitely more practical.

Mine is optioned to the teeth too, with a $108k MSRP, not including the full Xpel Stealth PPF. Yeah, not happening.

The Macan exceeding my expectations might have something to do with why I haven't completely bonded with my 718, actually...

And I know I haven't been clear- money is only kind of an issue, if that makes sense... I actually don't like my 718 as much as I thought I would. It's also my 3rd Boxster GTS; I've had a 981 and the 2.5T 718 GTS before this one. There's nothing wrong with it- it's just 3 incremental updates at substantially higher cost each sort of.... turned me off? I probably can't fully articulate it. But my whole thought process was that I could enjoy a Type R for my use case enough to justify the severe drop in price... but as I've decided that would only happen if I could get one at MSRP, which isn't likely to happen anytime soon.

If come to find out I have to come out of pocket to the tune of ~$30k extra a year to cover tuition and expenses, then I'll probably just grab an Si or Integra at MSRP and just wait 4 years before reassessing my sports car game... or maybe an FK8 Type R so I can continue to do track stuff. I'm not to that yet... but I've just reached the conclusion I don't feel like dumping $12-15k into a dealer's pockets while losing ~ $20k at the same time on yet another trade. I've talked myself off the cliff- with this thread's help!

Hope that makes sense.

edit- I will admit however that I've been following the Integra Type S story as it develops. That could be another angle I pursue. Probably worth its own thread, but I'm not 100% convinced that I couldn't get a Type S for MSRP. I've already established I can get a G87 M2 at MSRP without really trying, because it seems to be priced appropriately. I think Honda just undersold itself with the CTR, but the Type S might be a harder sell and not have quite the same demand. We'll see... if that's the case I may go that route.

I almost bought a Macan over my CTR (and would have sold my E90 M3 ZCP to help fund the purchase in an effort towards consolidation). I actually had a new Macan GTS on order - fully loaded ($106K MSRP), but wondered if I could deal with driving an SUV everyday. An opportunity presented itself to drive a lightly used 2022 GTS while I waited for my order to reach production, and I'm glad I drove one. It's an amazing drive for an SUV and maybe the best driving SUV ever, but I realized it just wasn't for me. IMO (of course), but I still felt its inherent compromises while pushing it on a backroad. Maybe I'm not an SUV guy? In the end, I kept the E90 and added the CTR to split DD duties. I'm very happy, but sometimes I think about the Macan GTS...

 

[optronix]

I wouldn’t hesitate to swap the 718 for a Type R given your family situation and the desire to get back into a manual. I have some bias since I’m not a big 718 fan, and I really like my R. It’s a special drive. Maybe more special than a 718 GTS PDK.

That being said, if you aren’t willing to pay an ADM, even a “reasonable” $5k, you aren’t going to buy one of these cars anytime soon. The market is the market. If you can get one at a reasonable ADM, you'll still be in the green (for now). Perhaps you should consider a 6MT 718 GTS swap. However, you might be forced to pay over sticker for that car too...

I think a $5k ADM I could live with, assuming a fair trade value. Honestly that's what I might be looking at as we progress through the summer. If I can get some kicks with it through spring and summer, it will still probably fetch a favorable trade assessment as fall starts rolling in. I'll just have to evaluate things at that point.

As for the Macan, yeah as an only car I have to be honest I may be hesitant to. It is still an SUV, it's just far, far better than any SUV has any right to be. But I'd still be wanting a "true sports car" fix, and it's probably important to clarify that... and with the hatch and 4 doors of the CTR it's tough to argue vs practicality.

But I will throw out there the other thing the Macan does very, very well is luxury. Mine has full leather with contrast stitching, 18-way sports seats and Burmester sound system, and it is the perfect GT car without being a GT car. It just does so many things so well.... but yeah, it's not a true replacement for a sports car. And you can't get one in manual, so there's that...

I see your M2 CS. That's another keeper, for sure. But I can't get my dog in it lol.

 

[WWM3]

I think a $5k ADM I could live with, assuming a fair trade value. Honestly that's what I might be looking at as we progress through the summer. If I can get some kicks with it through spring and summer, it will still probably fetch a favorable trade assessment as fall starts rolling in. I'll just have to evaluate things at that point.

As for the Macan, yeah as an only car I have to be honest I may be hesitant to. It is still an SUV, it's just far, far better than any SUV has any right to be. But I'd still be wanting a "true sports car" fix, and it's probably important to clarify that... and with the hatch and 4 doors of the CTR it's tough to argue vs practicality.

But I will throw out there the other thing the Macan does very, very well is luxury. Mine has full leather with contrast stitching, 18-way sports seats and Burmester sound system, and it is the perfect GT car without being a GT car. It just does so many things so well.... but yeah, it's not a true replacement for a sports car. And you can't get one in manual, so there's that...

I see your M2 CS. That's another keeper, for sure. But I can't get my dog in it lol.

I think $5K ADMs are attainable, but would take a good bit of effort. I called around last summer and put myself on some dealer lists, but I was already a step behind some others. I only got one call and that was for a $15K ADM car. So, I spent parts of February and March calling around, negotiating dealers against each other, etc. and was able to secure $7K plus accessories/help with shipping. It was more than I wanted to pay, but I'm really happy with the car.

Re: Macan. Thanks for the insight. The Macan might be a perfect DD for someone who doesn't require a manual and has kids/animals. I still feel a little bit of regret passing on my build. It sounds similar to yours (18 ways, Burmester, etc.). I opted for Gentian Blue w/ full black leather & Gentian stitching as well.

My M2 CS is definitely a keeper. I'd highly recommend driving one if you have the opportunity. FWIW, the backseat is larger than the new G87 M2's (despite that car growing in size and weight from the F87). I've owned a number of BMWs over the years, and I think this is their best car.

Best of luck if you decide to hunt for a new CTR!

 

[CTRifecta]

Heavily considered a Macan as my DD, but couldn't justify owning a used German car again. They are lease only vehicles in my opinion.

 

[fenrir1]

Happy wife, happy life

sad lol

 

[fenrir1]

Not sure exactly why your mind instantly went to "sacrifice the wife's car", but that's off the table (I drive it just as much as she does anyway)

To be perfectly honest, the 95B.3 Macan GTS is the best car I've ever driven. I barely even have to qualify it with a "for what it is". Somehow Porsche turned a CUV into a sports car. It's better at being a sports sedan than an RS5, M5, Alfa Giulia Q4, etc.

Many who haven't driven one might be skeptical. I've owned 3 Macans previously and this one is exponentially better than all of them, so if you've driven a Macan before, if it's not a 2022 and up GTS, try to find one and drive it. And try to have $100k ready to buy it, because you'll very like want to...

Seriously, the car is so good it's non-negotiable. Plus it's infinitely more practical.

Mine is optioned to the teeth too, with a $108k MSRP, not including the full Xpel Stealth PPF. Yeah, not happening.

The Macan exceeding my expectations might have something to do with why I haven't completely bonded with my 718, actually...

And I know I haven't been clear- money is only kind of an issue, if that makes sense... I actually don't like my 718 as much as I thought I would. It's also my 3rd Boxster GTS; I've had a 981 and the 2.5T 718 GTS before this one. There's nothing wrong with it- it's just 3 incremental updates at substantially higher cost each sort of.... turned me off? I probably can't fully articulate it. But my whole thought process was that I could enjoy a Type R for my use case enough to justify the severe drop in price... but as I've decided that would only happen if I could get one at MSRP, which isn't likely to happen anytime soon.

If come to find out I have to come out of pocket to the tune of ~$30k extra a year to cover tuition and expenses, then I'll probably just grab an Si or Integra at MSRP and just wait 4 years before reassessing my sports car game... or maybe an FK8 Type R so I can continue to do track stuff. I'm not to that yet... but I've just reached the conclusion I don't feel like dumping $12-15k into a dealer's pockets while losing ~ $20k at the same time on yet another trade. I've talked myself off the cliff- with this thread's help!

Hope that makes sense.

edit- I will admit however that I've been following the Integra Type S story as it develops. That could be another angle I pursue. Probably worth its own thread, but I'm not 100% convinced that I couldn't get a Type S for MSRP. I've already established I can get a G87 M2 at MSRP without really trying, because it seems to be priced appropriately. I think Honda just undersold itself with the CTR, but the Type S might be a harder sell and not have quite the same demand. We'll see... if that's the case I may go that route.

then get rid of the boxster

 

[zionorbit]

Traded in a 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 for the type R. Reason being was the cayman was a weekend in only toy for escaping my kids. I put 8,000 miles on it a year doing auto crosses, backroad drives and PCA events.

the type r is superior for the fact I can more regularly drive it and take the kids with my to cars and coffee events along with, enjoy it throughout the week, and take the kids with me to a nice backroad park and enjoy the drive a bit more.

we’re a 3 car family so it wasn’t impossible to keep the Porsche, but I’m kind of looking forward to consolidating cars a bit more.

the fl5 is extremely agile. My wife loves driving it much more than the Porsche. The Porsche felt MUCH more special and could handle a long drive in more comfort than the type r. The Porsche exhaust was intoxicating. But I’ll comment the lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control will likely be a big boon when I’m doing distant track events or coming back from a distant 600 mile backroad drives like I did in the Porsche.

I get more thumbs up in the type r from the everyday Honda owner vs the aloof Porsche and the snooty 911 owners in the PCA clubs. Even had the fun time of lining up with a GR Corolla on the freeway where both of us were in total shock of running into each other back in January.

if You can keep both, keep both. If it’s between spending time with the whole family vs a forever 2-seat dream car I’ll leave it to you to judge. For me I’m picking kids and compromising on the type r for where I’m at. And honestly the decision doesn’t seem like much of a compromise given how agile the type r is.

Congrats, I'm happy to read that your enjoying the Type R. Just curious but do you have any plans for the newly announced Integra Type S over the CTR as it's more luxurious? Or are you satisfied with the CTR?

 

[Bluelink]

Congrats, I'm happy to read that your enjoying the Type R. Just curious but do you have any plans for the newly announced Integra Type S over the CTR as it's more luxurious? Or are you satisfied with the CTR?

not interested in the Acura. There’s not enough info on the handling and I’d pick the Si over the Acura integra in a similar comparison. The feature improvements are slim. And I still have a family SUV if I need more comfort.

the only features that’d change my mind is parking sensors or 360 cameras. I’d rather not bump into something with the low front or curb the wheels by accident. I’m jealous the UK variants get parking sensors, but i much prefer US pricing.

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