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[Hicks2seven]

Over 10K number plate was confirmed a while ago - not even including the 'China' production

It's just not accurate, there might be 6k units worldwide right now......what's the highest # seen in pictures so far?

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[CivicR38]

Over 10K number plate was confirmed a while ago - not even including the 'China' production

how would the distribution look then if North America has only received 2500ish units as the #1/2 outlet for these cars?
Not trying to argue with you at all just curious. They are currently on pace in the US to match their anticipated units, 14-15k units over 3 years.

 

[mbaapk]

I'm not saying you're wrong, because I rarely trust what others put on the internet - but the translation put the 10K/year figure for North America

There is only two years on there. So looks like a ramp this fall maybe?

 

[Use20]

Over 10K number plate was confirmed a while ago - not even including the 'China' production

All FL5 are made in Japan. China one are made in Japan too.

 

[Hicks2seven]

All FL5 are made in Japan. China one are made in Japan too.

It was stated previously that the china allocation number plates would remain independent of the world distribution plates.

 

[type-RUsrs?]

My FL5 finally arrived this week.

While finalizing the sale, I was hit with this:

Luxury and Fuel-Inefficient Vehicle Surcharge
The New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission (MVC) imposes a one-time 0.4% Luxury and Fuel-Inefficient Vehicle Surcharge (LFIS) on ownership of new passenger automobiles with a sales price or lease price of at least $45,000, or a fuel efficiency rating of less than 19 miles per gallon.

So at least in NJ, a Honda Civic can now be called a "luxury" vehicle...

 

[shad2fast4u]

Has anyone been seeing deliveries in the east coast tri-state area recently? Specifically speaking, NY? Some cars are indicated as delivery from 05/16-05/20 but still no where to be found.

 

[hollis]

Curious for opinions if there will be a decent chance of getting one of these close to msrp by Sept?
Assume ITS will take some pressure off, restarting of student loans, and increasing interest rates/loan defaults are very likely.

 

[spectre186]

Curious for opinions if there will be a decent chance of getting one of these close to msrp by Sept?

No chance, unless there is a black swan market event this summer. I’m hoping for the average to move closer to 5-7k ADM.

 

[I used to vtec]

Curious for opinions if there will be a decent chance of getting one of these close to msrp by Sept?
Assume ITS will take some pressure off, restarting of student loans, and increasing interest rates/loan defaults are very likely.

Agree with above, basically no chance unless the stars align and you somehow snag one from an MSRP-only dealer. But I imagine every single one of those allocations are spoken for at this point. If anything, dealers continue to get worse. Dealers that were once 5k ADM are now 10-15k after seeing how other dealers made out. And now dealers aren't even giving me prices, they are just asking me to bid against others. I just ignore them when they try and get me to play into their game, but I've now had my 3rd dealer pull that and it's seeming to become a trend. It's bleak out there

 

[TimeRacer]

This chart would also imply that there are currently 6k units in the US but VIN numbers aren't even north of 2200 right now....

Go to any FL5 car locator. Actually look at the VIN #'s. You'll notice every color has its own VIN series. The total cars aren't directly related to the specific VIN numbers unless you want to go look for the highest ones of every color and add them up. Honda's production abilities and shortfalls in their supply chain are only easing to the chagrin of all those in this thread who keep repeating production will be ~2k units or less for the US every year.

 

[TimeRacer]

Agree with above, basically no chance unless the stars align and you somehow snag one from an MSRP-only dealer. But I imagine every single one of those allocations are spoken for at this point. If anything, dealers continue to get worse. Dealers that were once 5k ADM are now 10-15k after seeing how other dealers made out. And now dealers aren't even giving me prices, they are just asking me to bid against others. I just ignore them when they try and get me to play into their game, but I've now had my 3rd dealer pull that and it's seeming to become a trend. It's bleak out there

Personally I don't agree with this depending upon your buying window. Credit is becoming harder to harder to find and banks are finally cutting off the faucet to ridiculous loans of 7 year, $1k+ monthlies to cut off the YOLO gang. Add on it appears Honda will be able to supply more to the US market as they catch up to Japan deliveries and improve their supply chain production along with the ITS becoming available in June/July it should only become easier to find in the later half of the year in addition to every single one of the alternate options becoming more readily available as well as they're all competing for the same buyer.

 

[I used to vtec]

Personally I don't agree with this depending upon your buying window. Credit is becoming harder to harder to find and banks are finally cutting off the faucet to ridiculous loans of 7 year, $1k+ monthlies to cut off the YOLO gang. Add on it appears Honda will be able to supply more to the US market as they catch up to Japan deliveries and improve their supply chain production along with the ITS becoming available in June/July it should only become easier to find in the later half of the year in addition to every single one of the alternate options becoming more readily available as well as they're all competing for the same buyer.

Well, hey, I hope you're right. But I'm just not seeing it. I spoke to a dealer recently that had 3 CTRs on the lot or in transit. They were still asking for 5-digit markups. 6 months ago, the prediction on here was that markups would drop as soon as the car became more available. It seems the supply is growing (around me, at least), but prices are also increasing. Time will tell

 

[TimeRacer]

Well, hey, I hope you're right. But I'm just not seeing it. I spoke to a dealer recently that had 3 CTRs on the lot or in transit. They were still asking for 5-digit markups. 6 months ago, the prediction on here was that markups would drop as soon as the car became more available. It seems the supply is growing (around me, at least), but prices are also increasing. Time will tell

Check whatever source you wish to use (Cox, BlackBook, youtube car market folk, quarterly reports for Carvana/Carmax or whatever) and you'll see we're in kind of a weird market spot. There's dealers desperate to hold onto the high prices of 2022 as their lot inventory grows. Once these dealers lots fill up and they need to start turning over cars because their lot is full and the customer base is now smart enough to shop around, in addition to all the repo's bound for the market from the $1k+/mo silly folk, there's going to be opportunities esp with the ITS becoming an easy alternate in 2-3 months as initial demand flushes through. Example of this already happening is occurring on the truck side.

 

[hollis]

Unless the ITS is a flopp, even at 7k premium over CTR makes 5K ADMs sound unrealistic. ITS is going to be made in 12 internal / external color combos. Most dealers are getting 2 per month for rest of 2023, if there are 274 Acura dealers, that's 6000/yr min. 2024 production levels likely to increase even more.

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