Anyone own a stock 04-07 STI or 03-06 EVO with the CTR? Any similarities ?

[Jester04]

I had a 2016 STI I got new in 2015 , I kept it for a DD for 4.5 years because the deal I got was incredible . From my experience all I could think about was how much more I like the GD car in stock configuration. I really didn’t have much to nitpick about the GD while the VA I had a list of complaints….i preferred the old cars steering too

Interesting, what did you like about the steering more? I wanted the GD with the 2015 steering rack but they were different lengths and not a straight swap. I felt the GD had slow steering.

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[Jester04]

The Evo would be pre-owned with a previous owner on record whereas I'm the original and first owner of my CTR. Also, CTR is a more well-rounded vehicle. We are talking about a 2006 vs 2023 vehicle, so I would have to politely turn down the offer.

I don't miss the Evo as much because there are modern day car opportunities which tend to keep me content.

And the Type R is very capable!

 

[SHIFTT_IX_MR]

i still have my 2006 EVO IX MR. Chassis - stock for stock- Type R is stiffer. Type R has a better power band. to be honest, stock for stock, they acted similar to each other. The differences really come into view when you push the cars. The AWD Evo is pretty mean to drive at slow speeds - but becomes sublime at high speeds, where the Type R drives great at lower speeds and feels a bit out of it's element at higher speeds.

BTW: I am the original owner of my EVO and Type R. I've had the EVO since brand new off the lot. that was a great day.

 

[1970B302]

i still have my 2006 EVO IX MR. Chassis - stock for stock- Type R is stiffer. Type R has a better power band. to be honest, stock for stock, they acted similar to each other. The differences really come into view when you push the cars. The AWD Evo is pretty mean to drive at slow speeds - but becomes sublime at high speeds, where the Type R drives great at lower speeds and feels a bit out of it's element at higher speeds.

BTW: I am the original owner of my EVO and Type R. I've had the EVO since brand new off the lot. that was a great day.

That’s what I was looking to hear. I always wanted to buy one but they were always snotted local to me. Now if I could just find a Time Machine!
Does your IX MR have the zero lift kit?

is your CTR a fk8 or fl? Also if you could only have one which are you keeping and WHY? Thanks

 

[1970B302]

Interesting, what did you like about the steering more? I wanted the GD with the 2015 steering rack but they were different lengths and not a straight swap. I felt the GD had slow steering.

I never felt like the GD steering was that slow. I drove my 16 and 05 back to back and found that the GD steering, while a hair slower, felt more connected and communicative to the road. It had more feel than the 16 did, and never once was the steering speed an issue or something I ever thought of until reading your question now. My 2016 just felt like a much heavier less connected and significantly slower car all around. Every performance metric felt worse driving both, while the 16 benefitted from more space inside, storage room and amenities, and creature comforts. That’s about the only thing the 16 did better but I actually found myself still being more comfortable driving my 2005.

We did some data logging between the two cars and my 05, on a set of pilot sport cups ran a 4.27 0-60 and a 12.9 1/4 mile , my 2016 ran a 5.0 and 13.9

 

[Jester04]

I never felt like the GD steering was that slow. I drove my 16 and 05 back to back and found that the GD steering, while a hair slower, felt more connected and communicative to the road. It had more feel than the 16 did, and never once was the steering speed an issue or something I ever thought of until reading your question now. My 2016 just felt like a much heavier less connected and significantly slower car all around. Every performance metric felt worse driving both, while the 16 benefitted from more space inside, storage room and amenities, and creature comforts. That’s about the only thing the 16 did better but I actually found myself still being more comfortable driving my 2005.

We did some data logging between the two cars and my 05, on a set of pilot sport cups ran a 4.27 0-60 and a 12.9 1/4 mile , my 2016 ran a 5.0 and 13.9

Any trap speeds for those passes? And by what I mean the Steering is just the rack speed how quick the response is for the input not the weight since the 2015+had heavier and bigger wheels and tires so its expected to be . Also the car weighs quite a bit more than the GD so it will be slower stock for stock.

Also if the GD is running 12 second passes it can’t be stock. Hell they made 230-240whp back then and still weight was over 3200lbs.

Just very curious, mine ran 12.6 @ 108mph with a 1.6 60ft back in 2008 with around 320whp, intake, exhaust and reflash.

 

[1970B302]

Any trap speeds for those passes? And by what I mean the Steering is just the rack speed how quick the response is for the input not the weight since the 2015+had heavier and bigger wheels and tires so its expected to be . Also the car weighs quite a bit more than the GD so it will be slower stock for stock.

Also if the GD is running 12 second passes it can’t be stock. Hell they made 230-240whp back then and still weight was over 3200lbs.

Just very curious, mine ran 12.6 @ 108mph with a 1.6 60ft back in 2008 with around 320whp, intake, exhaust and reflash.

Maybe I can find the data its somewhere on my comp from when I scanned it. My 05 was bone stock, nothing but sport cup tires on it. It was a 60k mile car that was rarely really well taken care of. Stock intake, exhaust, ECU, all original. What year was your STI? My stock 07 with that emissions tune was much slower...

Cannot remember the trap speed, but it was higher than the new VA STI. I am almost certain a CTR would have a higher trap speed, but up to 100mph the GD would probably be faster even from a roll . The problem with those Subarus is that there are so many bad ones, the 07 stock tune was garbage, people say the 04 was a hair slower than the 05 some say a hair quicker. The 05 was the nicest out of the years I had by a mile, also imo best one they ever made. 04 had the bugeye interior and 05 got that nice updated dash/radio HVAC and seat bolstering etc...

 

[1970B302]

Heres some old magazine #s i got offline for a 2006 STI - no 2005 #s could be found

5 - 60 mph	6.4 s
0 - 30 mph	1.2 s
0 - 40 mph	2.2 s
0 - 50 mph	3.1 s
0 - 60 mph	4.5 s
0 - 70 mph	5.7 s
0 - 80 mph	7.6 s
0 - 90 mph	9.5 s
0 - 100 mph	12.1 s
0 - 130 mph	24.1 s
1/4 mile	13.0 s @ 103.5 mph

Here is FL5

0 - 30 mph	2.0 s
0 - 40 mph	3.0 s
0 - 50 mph	3.9 s
0 - 60 mph	4.9 s
0 - 70 mph	6.4 s
0 - 80 mph	7.8 s
0 - 90 mph	9.9 s
0 - 100 mph	11.7 s
0 - 110 mph	14.6 s
0 - 120 mph	18.4 s
0 - 130 mph	21.2 s
0 - 140 mph	28.3 s
0 - 150 mph	45.7 s
Est. 1/8 mile	9.7 s @ 88.9 mph
1/4 mile	13.5 s @ 106.0 mph

EVO IX MR

0 - 100 kph	5.2 s
0 - 200 kph	21.4 s
Est. 100 - 200 kph	16.2 s
5 - 60 mph	6.3 s
0 - 30 mph	1.5 s
0 - 40 mph	2.6 s
0 - 50 mph	3.5 s
0 - 60 mph	4.7 s
0 - 70 mph	6.4 s
0 - 80 mph	8.0 s
0 - 90 mph	10.5 s
0 - 100 mph	12.4 s
0 - 130 mph	25.0 s
Est. 1/8 mile	9.5 s @ 89.5 mph
1/4 mile	13.3 s @ 106.3 mph

 

[1970B302]

MOTORTREND figure 8 testing:

FL5: 24.50
IX MR:25.00
06 STI: 25.50

How much of that is tires? Would Sport cup 2 tires make a difference? would it give the EVO or STI the edge over the FL5

 

[Jester04]

MOTORTREND figure 8 testing:

FL5: 24.50
IX MR:25.00
06 STI: 25.50

How much of that is tires? Would Sport cup 2 tires make a difference? would it give the EVO or STI the edge over the FL5

Mine was an 06 so it was quick before they went to the bad tune. Stock tires for those 2 cars were really sticky. Barely street legal tires in my opinion. It also had the shorter gearing which helped with acceleration.

But even the motortrend figures prove the Type R is faster to 100mph even with the launch disadvantage. So from a roll its not even a contest. Stock for stock of course.

 

[Clark_Kent]

Mine was an 06 so it was quick before they went to the bad tune. Stock tires for those 2 cars were really sticky. Barely street legal tires in my opinion. It also had the shorter gearing which helped with acceleration.

But even the motortrend figures prove the Type R is faster to 100mph even with the launch disadvantage. So from a roll its not even a contest. Stock for stock of course.

That's right. Bridgestone Potenza RE070 for the Subaru and Yokohama Advan A048 for the Evo, IIRC. The Advans were one of the best tires out at the time. Incredible grip in the dry, but mediocre at best in the wet or in cold temps.

 

[Jester04]

That's right. Bridgestone Potenza RE070 for the Subaru and Yokohama Advan A048 for the Evo, IIRC. The Advans were one of the best tires out at the time. Incredible grip in the dry, but mediocre at best in the wet or in cold temps.

Yes back then some serious tires.

 

[spectre186]

I had an 07 STi. The front diff on the FL5 really surprised me in the dry. Coming out of corners It almost feels like it’s AWD. Stock, it feels like it pushes much less than the Suby.

Stock engine tuning isn’t even close. I love how smooth the Honda engine is. Pulls so strong to redline.

I much prefer the steering ratio on the Honda, much tighter. Steering feel is pretty good too.

 

[Jester04]

I had an 07 STi. The front diff on the FL5 really surprised me in the dry. Coming out of corners It almost feels like it’s AWD. Stock, it feels like it pushes much less than the Suby.

Stock engine tuning isn’t even close. I love how smooth the Honda engine is. Pulls so strong to redline.

I much prefer the steering ratio on the Honda, much tighter. Steering feel is pretty good too.

I appreciate all cars, and even as much as I love my evo’s and sti’s the Type R is a really good all rounder.

 

[CTRifecta]

The fl5 stock tuning feels very German (bmw) like. Very little bad habits

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