Release date guesses?

[S2KGuy]

So no xm, no power drivers seat, no fogs for the EX?? Wowza. I Bet the touring loses the heated rear seats too.

Si better have XM radio.

Yeah… really debating if I’m better off picking up a 2021 Sport Hatch now. Especially if power is the same. I guess you get better tech in the new one but with a more boring look.

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[gtman]

So I currently have an EX-L sedan. To me, that was the best value, feature for feature and was a poor man's Touring. The feature gap between the 11th EX and Touring looks huge.

Like somebody said earlier, I think Honda is hoping to push more people into Tourings. They've really neutered that EX.

My biggest gripe is why offer a "Sport" only in the weaker engine? I guess Honda feels it would overlap the Si, but not if a Sport 1.5T was offered with an automatic.

 

[Saywhaat04]

So I currently have an EX-L sedan. To me, that was the best value, feature for feature and was a poor man's Touring. The feature gap between the 11th EX and Touring looks huge.

Like somebody said earlier, I think Honda is hoping to push more people into Tourings. They've really neutered that EX.

My biggest gripe is why offer a "Sport" only in the weaker engine? I guess Honda feels it would overlap the Si, but not if a Sport 1.5T was offered with an automatic.

I wonder if the Sport will offer the 2.0 and 1.5t engine options...

 

[delfinom]

So I currently have an EX-L sedan. To me, that was the best value, feature for feature and was a poor man's Touring. The feature gap between the 11th EX and Touring looks huge.

Like somebody said earlier, I think Honda is hoping to push more people into Tourings. They've really neutered that EX.

My biggest gripe is why offer a "Sport" only in the weaker engine? I guess Honda feels it would overlap the Si, but not if a Sport 1.5T was offered with an automatic.

The joke is LX is generally barebones, need a car level. Heck on the Accord LX you don't get Android Auto in the year 2021. It's the equivalent of a "old people trim".
The sport is basically equivalent to "stick the word sport on the car to appeal to young people" wanting a cheap car and we'll throw in a tiny bit more features like Android Auto to reel them in.

I don't think Honda is trying to push people in Tourings, it's just they are market segmenting too hard. They think people buy Civics because they are cheap and so they are primarily interested in pushing the LX and Sport Trims. And that anyone with money would look at Accords instead. I for one say feck Accords because they are sized like boomeryachts.


It's sad that Honda is pushing 18in wheels for the Touring trim, I totally want to get one in a few years but 18in wheels are an absolute NO in NY, I would go broke replacing the rims every day due to potholes.

 

[hoodlum]

The joke is LX is generally barebones, need a car level. Heck on the Accord LX you don't get Android Auto in the year 2021. It's the equivalent of a "old people trim".
The sport is basically equivalent to "stick the word sport on the car to appeal to young people" wanting a cheap car and we'll throw in a tiny bit more features like Android Auto to reel them in.

I don't think Honda is trying to push people in Tourings, it's just they are market segmenting too hard. They think people buy Civics because they are cheap and so they are primarily interested in pushing the LX and Sport Trims. And that anyone with money would look at Accords instead. I for one say feck Accords because they are sized like boomeryachts.

Yet the Civic LX and Sport represent 75% of Civic sales. These buyers are not even willing to splurge a bit more for the EX. While I am also not interested in the entry models we are definitely in the small minority.

 

[Saywhaat04]

The joke is LX is generally barebones, need a car level. Heck on the Accord LX you don't get Android Auto in the year 2021. It's the equivalent of a "old people trim".
The sport is basically equivalent to "stick the word sport on the car to appeal to young people" wanting a cheap car and we'll throw in a tiny bit more features like Android Auto to reel them in.

I don't think Honda is trying to push people in Tourings, it's just they are market segmenting too hard. They think people buy Civics because they are cheap and so they are primarily interested in pushing the LX and Sport Trims. And that anyone with money would look at Accords instead. I for one say feck Accords because they are sized like boomeryachts.


It's sad that Honda is pushing 18in wheels for the Touring trim, I totally want to get one in a few years but 18in wheels are an absolute NO in NY, I would go broke replacing the rims every day due to potholes.

Aa/Ac is standard on all Accords including the LX model.

 

[Saywhaat04]

Yet the Civic LX and Sport represent 75% of Civic sales. These buyers are not even willing to splurge a bit more for the EX. While I am also not interested in the entry models we are definitely in the small minority.

Agreed! I wonder what the trim break down is for the Accord and CRV?

 

[gtman]

Yet the Civic LX and Sport represent 75% of Civic sales. These buyers are not even willing to splurge a bit more for the EX. While I am also not interested in the entry models we are definitely in the small minority.

I think the numbers posted are just Honda's estimate on 11th gen sales. I don't see how they think 43% of the sales will be 2.0NA Sport models. Most enthusiasts would prefer the higher powered turbo. I still think the LX will be the top seller.

 

[Saywhaat04]

I think the numbers posted are just Honda's estimate on 11th gen sales. I don't see how they think 43% of the sales will be 2.0NA Sport models. Most enthusiasts would prefer the higher powered turbo. I still think the LX will be the top seller.

Well enthusiasts dont make up the majority of sales so there's that. Also considering the car is CVT only and the Sport trim is basically an appearance pkg, most buyers buying the Civic sedan are just looking for a good reliable sedan...the SI/Type R are for the "enthusiasts " I think Honda has probably gotten the sales mix about right...they know they're customers better than we enthusiasts do. I see way way more Sport Accords and Civics on the road than I do LX (ESPECIALLY the Accords) EX/EXL or Tourings.

 

[gtman]

Well enthusiasts dont make up the majority of sales so there's that.

That being my point. The average owner looking for a cheap, reliable sedan probably isn't into 18" black wheels and such. Which is why I'd be surprised if the Sport was the top seller. Time will tell.

 

[hoodlum]

That being my point. The average owner looking for a cheap, reliable sedan probably isn't into 18" black wheels and such. Which is why I'd be surprised if the Sport was the top seller. Time will tell.

Honda’s estimates are likely based on 10th gen trim sales. I suspect actual sales will be very close to their projections.

 

[Saywhaat04]

That being my point. The average owner looking for a cheap, reliable sedan probably isn't into 18" black wheels and such. Which is why I'd be surprised if the Sport was the top seller. Time will tell.

Well thats why the LX and EX exist. My hunch is that the average Sport buyer is someone in there 20s or 30s who likes the sportier looks of the Sport. Same deal with the Accord Sport...1600 for nicer wheels more content and better seats? Its a no brainer. The Sport is for the buyer who doesn't need a the fancy stuff but doesnt exactly want a base trim. Its a great value for the average consumer thats why the current one sales so well and why the new one will likely remain the best seller. The Sport buyer is not exactly an enthusiasts but someone who likes a little style in their ride. I have no doubt it will outsell the EX and Touring...LX may be closer give or take.

 

[Saywhaat04]

Honda’s estimates are likely based on 10th gen trim sales. I suspect actual sales will be very close to their projections.

Exactly...hence the reason why the EXL is gone...Honda knows what sales...they have the data...we have...assumptions? Lol

 

[delfinom]

Aa/Ac is standard on all Accords including the LX model.

I double checked, it finally is on 2021, It was not in 2020. ?

 

[Saywhaat04]

I double checked, it finally is on 2021, It was not in 2020. ?

The added it with the mid cycle refresh.

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