What did you pay for your FL5?

[savagegeese]

He did say in his review it's only worth MSRP and nothing more. That's also easy to say if you have premium access to being able to only pay MSRP IMO. Not knocking his opinion because I agree, MSRP is a standard for what someone's interpretation for the price is, this someone being the someone who built the car. But let's be real, there is more to this type of car than parts, labor to build it, and shipping. There's exclusivity and rarity along with history. The car is obviously worth more than MSRP given the average going rate of these falls somewhere between 10-20k over MSRP.

If your opinion is the car itself regarding what it took to build the car and how it performs is what represents that value, then yes, 44k. If you're going to start factoring in everything else, the price is higher and understandably so as much as some people may not like it. I think anyone would like to pay as little as possible.

The original Type R was like 38k and that was a stretch for what this car is. Now they moved it up closer to 45k for largely a car that does not cost them anymore to make. If you start selling this for over 50k with markup the car competes with more premium models that are in almost every single metric better sports cars (removing Honda fanboyism out of it).

Thats where I said, its not worth more than MSRP because it is already a stretch, and objectively even at 45k unless you are a Honda fan most normal car enthusiats would be laugh at that. I completely get it.

The manual supra on good tires would send this car back in time, the Camaro SS 1LE would obliterate it, the Z on real tires would be engaging in similar ways and even the Gr86 with just suspension and tires will run faster laps for far less money, feel engaging to drive. Even the Elantra N for 38k is almost identical in performance.

Im in a rare spot to have been on track/street to know. I still chose the Type R because I am some kind of twisted Honda fan. It makes almost no rational sense.

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[savagegeese]

my main point is Honda gave you a better deal and a chance at that deal and not the rest of us. I get it, you’re a car reviewer etc and a damn good one at that. I love your content and I’m not trying to knock you for it.

I’m simply stating the rest of us casuals get screwed over with no chance at getting the deal you got

I promise I will hammer your point home on the video about this process. I am not disconnected from reality. I share the identical frustration and borderline anger about it.

 

[elusiveaura]

you’re all good man and I know you will. Like I said I don’t dislike you for it. I’m glad you got it for that because you put in the hard work and I love your reviews. I just wish Honda and other manufacturers would put a stop to this somehow.

I’m still getting the car. I feel like I still got a good deal because I really want this car. While it might be pushing premium brands prices, no other vehicle “feels” like the type R. I not referring to speed, just referring to the handling and overall enjoyment out of the car. A Supra just doesn’t do it for me, plus it’s 2 doors. I’m a Honda fanboy too so I’m sticking with the car. I look forward to your video.

I promise I will hammer your point home on the video about this process. I am not disconnected from reality. I share the identical frustration and borderline anger about it.

 

[oknotok]

I am finally in a position where I can buy my first brand-new car, and these markups are something else. I just got off the phone with 4 Norcal dealers, all pricing their cars at least $15k. These are all the same dealers I called prior to the announcement requesting to be put on a list, of course, they don't even bother to give me a call back. The most egregious markup was Shottenkirk of Davis asking for a $30k markup.

I am on an MSRP list for a GR Corolla and an Integra Type S and I hope those don't have any surprises. The CTR feels the most special and usable as a family car, but seems like they aren't obtainable yet anywhere close to MSRP

 

[SP R KiD]

The original Type R was like 38k and that was a stretch for what this car is. Now they moved it up closer to 45k for largely a car that does not cost them anymore to make. If you start selling this for over 50k with markup the car competes with more premium models that are in almost every single metric better sports cars (removing Honda fanboyism out of it).

Thats where I said, its not worth more than MSRP because it is already a stretch, and objectively even at 45k unless you are a Honda fan most normal car enthusiats would be laugh at that. I completely get it.

The manual supra on good tires would send this car back in time, the Camaro SS 1LE would obliterate it, the Z on real tires would be engaging in similar ways and even the Gr86 with just suspension and tires will run faster laps for far less money, feel engaging to drive. Even the Elantra N for 38k is almost identical in performance.

Im in a rare spot to have been on track/street to know. I still chose the Type R because I am some kind of twisted Honda fan. It makes almost no rational sense.

Completely understand which is why I said I totally agree with your assessment. I just think it's difficult to assert how much it's truly worth from one's opinion given the accessibility you may have over others to get MSRP.

However a fair question I suppose I'd ask is, in your completely honest and hopefully unbiased opinion, would you have paid more? Hypothetically let's say MSRP was 47k, or 50k, or 53k. Do you talk yourself out of paying more than 44k because that's what MSRP is? Or because you genuinely believe that's the MAX price? If you didn't have access to MSRP only would you have paid any kind of markup? 2k? 5k? You said it isn't worth more and I think many people believe that about a lot of things they buy, but that doesn't stop them from paying more. If you want it bad enough, you'll pay.

I certainly don't mean to overcomplicate the question but I think it's important to be transparent especially for you. People truly value your opinion but it'd be hard to believe you truly would feel that way about pricing when you had the opportunity to especially get MSRP.

And please understand, I'm not trying to discredit your review or opinion in any way. I think you still make very valuable content! I'd like to think I'm asking questions about the price that others may also have. I also may be the only one who cares, idk.

 

[savagegeese]

Completely understand which is why I said I totally agree with your assessment. I just think it's difficult to assert how much it's truly worth from one's opinion given the accessibility you may have over others to get MSRP.

However a fair question I suppose I'd ask is, in your completely honest and hopefully unbiased opinion, would you have paid more? Hypothetically let's say MSRP was 47k, or 50k, or 53k. Do you talk yourself out of paying more than 44k because that's what MSRP is? Or because you genuinely believe that's the MAX price? If you didn't have access to MSRP only would you have paid any kind of markup? 2k? 5k?

I spent around 2500 on accessories, floor mats, carbon wing. So Id likely say, I would basically offset price and offer a markup based on that.

So if this was my dream car I would offer maybe 3k max and not get accessories. Thats max for me personally.

 

[Geezer]

The fallacy with the initial price of entry argument is that it doesn't do anything to articulate the total cost of ownership. If the average ADM is an indicator of future values (and normally it is at least in the short term) you can pay a few grand over and still potentially drive this car for free for a couple years. That's the value proposition I am most interested in.

 

[Jigalo]

The original Type R was like 38k and that was a stretch for what this car is. Now they moved it up closer to 45k for largely a car that does not cost them anymore to make. If you start selling this for over 50k with markup the car competes with more premium models that are in almost every single metric better sports cars (removing Honda fanboyism out of it).

Thats where I said, its not worth more than MSRP because it is already a stretch, and objectively even at 45k unless you are a Honda fan most normal car enthusiats would be laugh at that. I completely get it.

The manual supra on good tires would send this car back in time, the Camaro SS 1LE would obliterate it, the Z on real tires would be engaging in similar ways and even the Gr86 with just suspension and tires will run faster laps for far less money, feel engaging to drive. Even the Elantra N for 38k is almost identical in performance.

Im in a rare spot to have been on track/street to know. I still chose the Type R because I am some kind of twisted Honda fan. It makes almost no rational sense.

While I agree with this logic, I am currently looking at a type r for 55k. The 2 Zs next to me are 10k mark up as well so they are 62k. The Supra next to me that’s incoming is listed for 70k.

Every car is getting marked up, so is a 55k Type R worth it? No, but what car can I get in the 50s that compete. Cause all the 50k MSRP cars are in the 60s with markup, Ect..

 

[savagegeese]

The fallacy with the initial price of entry argument is that it doesn't do anything to articulate the total cost of ownership. If the average ADM is an indicator of future values (and normally it is at least in the short term) you can pay a few grand over and still potentially drive this car for free for a couple years. That's the value proposition I am most interested in.

Thats based on if they dont increase production. If they decide to produce 10k next year for USA then it would likely drop prices.

 

[ldentikit]

Thats based on if they dont increase production. If they decide to produce 10k next year for USA then it would likely drop prices.

Do you believe that to at all be a possibility that they produce near that many?

 

[ayau]

The fallacy with the initial price of entry argument is that it doesn't do anything to articulate the total cost of ownership. If the average ADM is an indicator of future values (and normally it is at least in the short term) you can pay a few grand over and still potentially drive this car for free for a couple years. That's the value proposition I am most interested in.

At MSRP, you can drive the car a few years for 'free'. Don't forget you still need to sell the car for 4k over MSRP just to cover your taxes. With ADM and taxes, it's unlikely you'll break even in a few years. I bought two Fk8s at sticker and drove them for 'free'.

 

[ayau]

Do you believe that to at all be a possibility that they produce near that many?

Nobody knows but it's unlikely there will be a surplus of FL5 based on historic Type R production numbers.

 

[Geezer]

Thats based on if they dont increase production. If they decide to produce 10k next year for USA then it would likely drop prices.

Possible but I don't see that happening when they already announced the entire production run in certain countries. FL5 total production in numbers is most certainly already on paper in Japan. I don't see 10k happening in the US or anywhere close to it. Just over 1000 Honda dealers in the US you're talking averaging almost 10 cars each.

 

[ayau]

lol don't worry about honda pumping out a ton of FL5. you'll be able to sleep just fine knowing your FL5 is more exclusive than an M3.

 

[Geezer]

At MSRP, you can drive the car a few years for 'free'. Don't forget you still need to sell the car for 4k over MSRP just to cover your taxes. With ADM and taxes, it's unlikely you'll break even in a few years. I bought two Fk8s at sticker and drove them for 'free'.

Imo this car will hold its value better than the FK8 in the long run but that's just a hunch. I could only find one FK8 at sticker good job finding two lol

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