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mbraun
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Very good point. I don't think I'd ever sell mine, but buying another one at 9k more than a 23 would make me think twice. Now let's not get started if a SE (read HRC) model comes and I can get my hands on one... THEN I'd have something really unique! (and probably appreciate a ton based on the 21 SE fk8).
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Where do you see the 21 SE FK8 appreciating?
The most recent BaT sale was for $50k with 35 miles in Oct 2024.
MSRP in 2021 was $44k. With inflation that’s $55k today.
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I think the GT3 references need to take a cold shower. Maybe if Honda stayed N/A and the car rev'd to 9k that "comparison" could hold water... but the engine actually is what holds this car back from being considered genuinely "special" in that sense. IMHO. End of the day it's just another 2.0 turbo that doesn't sound that great, everyone needs to calm down with the "baby GT3" moniker.
The HRC stuff, honestly I'd stay as far away from that as I could. The 2021 LE is a perfect example of why NOT to do that. From what I recall of reviews of the LE it isn't much faster, but it is far worse to drive lol. Maybe this one executes better than the LE but I also recall batshit markups; in fact a sales guy I was talking to recently was at a Honda dealer when they had one and he said they put $75k on it. He even said he wasn't sure if it sold for that but it just sets the precedent that they're going to be nearly impossible to acquire without paying more than it's worth, so any discussion of investment is moot at that point. And I'll agree, I've seen a couple listed for sale and while yes they held a premium over a typical FK8, no one is getting rich off selling a yellow civic.
Otherwise back on topic, the regular-ass FL5 still fills the same void for genuinely performance-oriented car that does all the normal "car things" too, at a price point that makes BMW want to jump off a cliff. It and the DE5 are the best cars that have ever done that. There isn't anything else like it in the market. Everything costs more now than it did in 2023, I'm just disappointed Honda made the most basic of basic changes for the refresh.
The HRC stuff, honestly I'd stay as far away from that as I could. The 2021 LE is a perfect example of why NOT to do that. From what I recall of reviews of the LE it isn't much faster, but it is far worse to drive lol. Maybe this one executes better than the LE but I also recall batshit markups; in fact a sales guy I was talking to recently was at a Honda dealer when they had one and he said they put $75k on it. He even said he wasn't sure if it sold for that but it just sets the precedent that they're going to be nearly impossible to acquire without paying more than it's worth, so any discussion of investment is moot at that point. And I'll agree, I've seen a couple listed for sale and while yes they held a premium over a typical FK8, no one is getting rich off selling a yellow civic.
Otherwise back on topic, the regular-ass FL5 still fills the same void for genuinely performance-oriented car that does all the normal "car things" too, at a price point that makes BMW want to jump off a cliff. It and the DE5 are the best cars that have ever done that. There isn't anything else like it in the market. Everything costs more now than it did in 2023, I'm just disappointed Honda made the most basic of basic changes for the refresh.
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Good insight. I would only consider one if I could snag one for MSRP (being first at my dealership would be critical for that to happen...) Big centres like Toronto and Vancouver have been notorious for pulling "fast ones" and finding a way of circumventing Honda Canada's rules. Will be interesting to see if a) the come to canada b) how much they will cost c) if they are any good. Based on the camo show car, and the reports from HRC integra track experiences, I think it might be something quite above the yellow SE.. Why are you dissaponted about the changes for 27? the damper module change and heated seats certainly are something I would be interested in. Did you expect something else? (I dont think they had planned on such a long run and had to come up with "something" to keep the model in the limelight. )
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Owning a GT2, the fl5 inputs are superior to most other cars and akin to a GT car. If Porsche's GT group built a FWD car, this is what it would be like. It is not a GT3 but it is philosophically there.
Optronix: I respect your differing opinion. But I disagree. Few cars have the playfulness of the FL5. Most cars today push, are too heavy and have poor feel. Even if they sound amazing and have lots of electornic wizardry. Many are so complex than post warranty they are total disasters that end up abandoned due to costs. Have seen it across many brands. The FL5 appears independent of those issues.
Optronix: I respect your differing opinion. But I disagree. Few cars have the playfulness of the FL5. Most cars today push, are too heavy and have poor feel. Even if they sound amazing and have lots of electornic wizardry. Many are so complex than post warranty they are total disasters that end up abandoned due to costs. Have seen it across many brands. The FL5 appears independent of those issues.
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You're dinging it for the backseat materials and no heated seata?? Foh this car wasn't made for you. You call r+ stupid? Bro please sell. Get you a box appliance.
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Out of curiosity, so you own an R? Both the damper module and the heated seats are being fixed on the 27 and I haven’t heard any other owner who has found a track where +R actually is useful. (Many switching to the less aggressive type s model). Just curious how you came to your opinion. No car is perfect
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Yes, I own an R. He bought the most uncompromising, track-focused front-wheel-drive car on the market and he's mad his butt is cold and the track mode is stiff? Sell it and get the Acura. That’s literally why they made it.
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Some nuance is needed here. Most people here complain about poor comfort in R+. I also find it odd, but the reality on performance is you usually want dampers as soft you can get to reduce wheel bounce and maximize road contact. Most tracks aren't super smooth and most feedback I've seen is using comfort mode to achieve this. It would have been ideal if individual let you set rebound and compression rather than just the 3 notches, but probably DSC and the other one are the only actual solutions. ITS and the 27 revision just shifts the scale over. It's a little damning that DSC can achieve this with a $1k PNP module, and that's only $600 ish more than stock.
I also would never expect heated seats on a sports oriented car, but since he's in Canada I understand. People in the states also have an unusual attachment to it as well. Personally I'd rather have cooled seats and I would think that's easier to duct if the blower wasn't so weak, as is for all Hondas.
When you compare to other sporty cars, usually heavier and more expensive, they have heated seats and more compliant damping.
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