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[MrB]

Am I reading the unit wrong (more used to mpg) or has fuel consumption got worse?

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[ctrc2022]

Am I reading the unit wrong (more used to mpg) or has fuel consumption got worse?

It got worse for urban/city it seems.

 

[MrB]

That's a bit of a backwards step!

 

[Tickle]

Final Drive is shorter than the FK8 it seems if this information is solid. Reading reviews of the FK8 and the mention of 3K RPM at 80mph wasn't my favorite. This may lower it a little bit.

 

[ctrc2022]

All you need to know about the new FL5
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◇Body size: Total length 4,595mm (+35mm) x Total width 1,890mm (+15mm) x Total height 1,415mm (-20mm)

◇Wheelbase: 2,735mm (+35mm)

◇Track width: Front 1,625mm (+25mm) Rear 1,615mm (+20mm)

◇Body weight: 1,430 kg (+40 kg)

◇Minimum ground clearance: 125mm (±0mm)

◇Minimum turning radius: 5.9m (±0m)

◇Engine: 2.0L K20C1 inline 4-cylinder VTEC turbo engine

◇Maximum power: 330ps (+10ps) / 6,500rpm

◇Maximum torque: 420 Nm (+20 Nm) / 2,600rpm to 4,500 rpm

◇Gear ratio: 1st gear 3.625 / 2nd gear 2.115 / 3rd gear 1.529 / 4th gear 1.125 / 5th gear 0.911 / 6th gear 0.734 / Reverse gear 3.757

◇Final drive: 3.842

◇Compression ratio: 9.8

◇New engine modification: Direct injection engine, variable valve timing, newly designed and lighter turbo blades to reduce inertia and increase responsiveness, (complete removal of engine start-stop) "LOL Honda claims this is the ultimate version of VTEC Turbo"

◇WLTC average fuel consumption: 12.5km/L (-0.5km/L)

◇WLTC urban average fuel consumption: 8.5km/L (-1.3km/L)

◇WLTC highway average fuel consumption: 15.0km/L (+0.1km/L)

◇Fuel tank capacity: 47L (+1L)

◇Brakes: Front: hydraulic ventilated disc Rear: hydraulic solid disc

◇Suspension: Front: Dual axis McPherson strut Rear: Multi-link

sucks that they are removing start-stop. the pre-production one for media test drive still has the button.. (might be a place holder I guess)

 

[Bense]

Final Drive is shorter than the FK8 it seems if this information is solid. Reading reviews of the FK8 and the mention of 3K RPM at 80mph wasn't my favorite. This may lower it a little bit.

Have the gear ratios been posted yet!?!??

 

[ctrc2022]

Have the gear ratios been posted yet!?!??

right above your comment
◇Gear ratio: 1st gear 3.625 / 2nd gear 2.115 / 3rd gear 1.529 / 4th gear 1.125 / 5th gear 0.911 / 6th gear 0.734 / Reverse gear 3.757

◇Final drive: 3.842

 

[Robert.C]

Longer, lower, wider. A recipe for success. (This thing is nearly 6" wider than my S2000. It's going to look like a monster in the garage.)

 

[RoidRage]

◇New engine modification: Direct injection engine, variable valve timing, newly designed and lighter turbo blades to reduce inertia and increase responsiveness, (complete removal of engine start-stop)

Wait NEW DI and VVTI ??!?!?! That would be HUGE for efficiency and power curve.

If those 2 pieces are new/upgraded that would be measurable gains no?

 

[Bense]

right above your comment
◇Gear ratio: 1st gear 3.625 / 2nd gear 2.115 / 3rd gear 1.529 / 4th gear 1.125 / 5th gear 0.911 / 6th gear 0.734 / Reverse gear 3.757

◇Final drive: 3.842

Sorry, I've been extremely anxious to see if Honda has manufactured any new gear ratios. I opened this thread for the first time in a few days hoping that the technical specifications had been posted. I read the words "final drive" and completely spazzed out with excitement lol.


The ratios posted are the same as the FK2. Same 1-6 gears as FK8, but taller, 3.842 final drive that Honda reused from the USDM 2010-2014 Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT.

I'm a bit skeptical about the ratios posted. I'm surprised that Honda went from the 4.11 final drive down to the 3.842 despite FL5 having a higher curb weight. The only thing that would make sense is if the overall tire diameter of FL5 is smaller then the FK8.

In case you're not familiar with the project I did with these trans, here's a link my project thread.

There is nobody, literally nobody that you will ever be able to find that has spent more time reverse engineering these transmissions with exception to someone that has or was employed by Honda that was on the engineering team that designed these transmissions.

Let me know if you've got any questions.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/trans...-also-applicable-k-series-fk8-type-r-3346496/

 

[Boostlag]

Slightly bigger turbo could benefit bit taller ratio.

 

[Tickle]

Sorry, I've been extremely anxious to see if Honda has manufactured any new gear ratios. I opened this thread for the first time in a few days hoping that the technical specifications had been posted. I read the words "final drive" and completely spazzed out with excitement lol.


The ratios posted are the same as the FK2. Same 1-6 gears as FK8, but taller, 3.842 final drive that Honda reused from the USDM 2010-2014 Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT.

I'm a bit skeptical about the ratios posted. I'm surprised that Honda went from the 4.11 final drive down to the 3.842 despite FL5 having a higher curb weight. The only thing that would make sense is if the overall tire diameter of FL5 is smaller then the FK8.

In case you're not familiar with the project I did with these trans, here's a link my project thread.

There is nobody, literally nobody that you will ever be able to find that has spent more time reverse engineering these transmissions with exception to someone that has or was employed by Honda that was on the engineering team that designed these transmissions.

Let me know if you've got any questions.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/trans...-also-applicable-k-series-fk8-type-r-3346496/

I agree with you. I'm also skeptical but I would welcome the change. It seems that Honda has put effort into making the car more comfortable and friendly on a day-to-day basis. Does that make sense or do you think that is a reach? In the sense of 80mph highway travel.

 

[Koyti]

Not sure if anybody posted this new official Honda video:

 

[Bense]

I agree with you. I'm also skeptical but I would welcome the change. It seems that Honda has put effort into making the car more comfortable and friendly on a day-to-day basis. Does that make sense or do you think that is a reach? In the sense of 80mph highway travel.

Sounds about right. Here in the states 2002 Civic Si EP3 came with weak K20A3 engine. Everyone wondered why Honda didn't offer it with a better engine.

It wasn't until 2013 on the 9g Civic Si where Honda gave us a K24. That's all part of their deliberate marketing plan so they can capitalize off of each, minimal, incremental upgrade.

Only way to get what we want is to Frankenstein a vehicle lol.

 

[Bense]

Interesting. So the FL5 tire diameter actually is slightly smaller than FK8.

FK8 tire diameter
245/30/20 = 25.7874"

FL5 tire diameter
265/30/19 = 25.2598"

25.2598/25.7874 = 0.9795403956971
1-0.9795403956971=0.0204596043028
So, 2.046% smaller

If there's 20 N*m (14.751 ft*lbf) more torque from 2600-4500rpm that would be a 5% increase.

5% increase in torque, 2% decrease in tire diameter balances out the 7% taller final drive ratio.

(4.111/3.842)−1 = 0.0700156168662

Conclusion, 3.842 final drive is plausible.

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