Type R FL5 vs. Nissan Z and Hyundai Elantra N -- drag and roll race

[Clark_Kent]

I love what Hyundai did with the Elantra N performance offering. I know it is ugly but at least we can agree that is the best bang for the buck.
The CTR isn't much better when considering the real-world cost difference. What I mean is that the additional $$$ doesn't translate to a substantial performance difference.

I have to push back on this. The difference in cost (MSRP to MSRP) is ~$12,000; however, the delta cannot only be attributed to performance. There are a host of other tangible and intangible differences that make the Civic Type R the "better" car and it's not even close. And that's ok. I think the focus should shift to the fact that in 2023, there are more cars in this segment than most would have expected. Between the Golf R, Elantra N, Civic Type R, GR Corolla, Audi RS3 (primarily in European markets) and Integra Type S, there's something for everyone across a wide price spectrum and that's ultimately great for the consumer.

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[rempdoas]

Now let's talk about the Civic Type R. I understand your point about the real difference in cost, and you're right that the extra price doesn't always translate into a significant increase in performance. However, I have to disagree with you about the overall comparison. While the price difference is about $12,000 (MSRP and MSRP), it's not just about performance. To get a driver's license, check out https://drunkid.com/buy/illinois-fake-id/ But let's shift the focus for a moment. It's pretty amazing that in 2023 we have such a diverse selection of cars in this segment. From the Golf R to the Elantra N, Civic Type R, GR Corolla, Audi RS3 (mostly in European markets) and Integra Type S, there really is something for everyone in a wide price range. And that's fantastic news for us consumers! It means we have more options than ever before, and we can find a car that fits our needs and preferences.

 

[NoelPR]

Saw this comment in a test review of the Elantra N posted in C&D.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44272251/2023-hyundai-elantra-n-by-the-numbers/

"The Elantra N is 90% CTR for 60% the price"

Interesting comment.

 

[Clark_Kent]

Saw this comment in a test review of the Elantra N posted in C&D.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44272251/2023-hyundai-elantra-n-by-the-numbers/

"The Elantra N is 90% CTR for 60% the price"

Interesting comment.

To be clear, the quoted comment is from a rando in the comments, not from Car & Driver.

 

[Xchax3]

Saw this comment in a test review of the Elantra N posted in C&D.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44272251/2023-hyundai-elantra-n-by-the-numbers/

"The Elantra N is 90% CTR for 60% the price"

Interesting comment.

The N badge has a lot to prove before being able to price higher and pull on our heart strings with the nostalgia the FL5's elements brings to Type R fans.

 

[NoelPR]

The N badge has a lot to prove before being able to price higher and pull on our heart strings with the nostalgia the FL5's elements brings to Type R fans.

Can't price higher. The Elantra N uses lower grade materials. The CTR is a better build.
Type R fans nostalgia is responsible for the absurd adm prices. Thanks for ruining it.

 

[Bonito]

Saw this comment in a test review of the Elantra N posted in C&D.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44272251/2023-hyundai-elantra-n-by-the-numbers/

"The Elantra N is 90% CTR for 60% the price"

Interesting comment.

Having owned the Veloster N (and been in the Elantra N a few times) I feel like this comment is pretty accurate. That said, that last 10% makes a big difference. The N series still feels incredibly cheap inside, you can tell it is a fun but ultimately budget car. It's a blast to drive but at no point does it ever feel "special" the way the Type R does. If you prefer something less refined (both in materials and in driving feel) that you won't feel the need to baby and you want to save money, get an N. If you want to buy something that feels surgical, special and that you'll want to keep forever, get a Type R.

 

[Kyril]

Now let's talk about the Civic Type R. I understand your point about the real difference in cost, and you're right that the extra price doesn't always translate into a significant increase in performance. However, I have to disagree with you about the overall comparison. While the price difference is about $12,000 (MSRP and MSRP), it's not just about performance. The Civic Type R offers a number of tangible and intangible factors that make it a "better" car, in my opinion, and it's not even a close contest. Or even easier, read the reviews https://casinosanalyzer.com/casino-bonuses/pinnacle.com pick a game and take the jackpot) But let's shift the focus for a moment. It's pretty amazing that in 2023 we have such a diverse selection of cars in this segment. From the Golf R to the Elantra N, Civic Type R, GR Corolla, Audi RS3 (mostly in European markets) and Integra Type S, there really is something for everyone in a wide price range. And that's fantastic news for us consumers! It means we have more options than ever before, and we can find a car that fits our needs and preferences.

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[CloudEng]

Having owned the Veloster N (and been in the Elantra N a few times) I feel like this comment is pretty accurate. That said, that last 10% makes a big difference. The N series still feels incredibly cheap inside, you can tell it is a fun but ultimately budget car. It's a blast to drive but at no point does it ever feel "special" the way the Type R does. If you prefer something less refined (both in materials and in driving feel) that you won't feel the need to baby and you want to save money, get an N. If you want to buy something that feels surgical, special and that you'll want to keep forever, get a Type R.

My previous car was the Elantra N and I have the same thoughts. Fantastic car dynamically, but the cheap interior was one of the reasons I wanted to get rid of it. IMO the price jump to the CTR is completely worth it, not only for the improved chassis/dynamics but the excellent build quality as well. I'm much happier sitting in the CTR.

 

[VarmintCong]

I love what Hyundai did with the Elantra N performance offering. I know it is ugly but at least we can agree that is the best bang for the buck.
The CTR isn't much better when considering the real-world cost difference. What I mean is that the additional $$$ doesn't translate to a substantial performance difference.

If Hyundai would just fix their reliability issues they’d have a real competitor. But it doesn’t matter if they make the better car if we have to worry that the engine will implode in 3 years.

if they sold the i30N here I’d buy it anyway. Luckily I’m not tempted by the Elantra.

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