PointByPatrol #21985 Build Journal! RIP #9243

[PointByPatrol]

Flogging the car and pushing this performance radiator to its LIMITS! Good news is that I'm excited for this radiator offering to be made available for all of you because it is a huge contender! Still requires heat on full blast, but there's nothing out there that doesn't!

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[PointByPatrol]

I got my used oil analysis back. This was from the second oil change after the break in oil was drained. This oil has 4 track days on it.

 

[svvitch]

Waiting on my 0w30 M1. Thanks for sharing @PointByPatrol

 

[Tougefl5]

Flogging the car and pushing this performance radiator to its LIMITS! Good news is that I'm excited for this radiator offering to be made available for all of you because it is a huge contender! Still requires heat on full blast, but there's nothing out there that doesn't!

Once you get suspension your going to knock off at least 5 seconds it will be a game changer.

 

[PointByPatrol]

Once you get suspension your going to knock off at least 5 seconds it will be a game changer.

I think I could definitely shave some time with a better suspension setup. +R mode is extremely bouncy.

 

[PointByPatrol]

Few things happened the past few days. When I was installing my PRL intercooler and PRL charge pipes, I noticed a small amount of oil in my charge pipes during removal. So I ordered up the Radium dual catch can kit, and installed it a few days later....Well.......After the install I went for a test drive and noticed large clouds of smoke coming out of my exhaust on decel. I took the car back home and bypassed the CCV can and reinstalled the small metal pipe between the valve cover and intake. I took the car back out for a test drive and it didn't smoke. I was baffled. I was able to blow air both ways between the CCV catch can. I double checked the instructions, was sure I was correct, but was able to reduplicate the issue when I hooked the CCV can back up. I had a Honda Master Tech buddy come over the next morning, and we were easily able to duplicate the issue. His opinion was that the radium ccv was a large distance between the valve cover and intake pipe, and that it was actually increasing crankcase pressure and it was erupting through the turbo seals and in to the exhaust. There was a concerning amount of oil coming all over the bottom of the turbo and running down the drain tube then on to the block.

My next step was to contact @Two Step Performance and 27won. Vlad over at 27won explained that the seals in a ball bearing turbo are quite a bit different than a journal bearing, and that the likely cause was that the catch cans were forcing oil back up the return line and out through the turbo seals. He had me clean everything up and test the car without the catch can attached. So far there have been no further leaks. I still have another 75 miles to go before I check back in with Vlad and let him know how everything is going.

@Two Step Performance and 27won have absolutely top notch customer service, and I'd recommend them to anyone. Vlad has been thorough and patient. Corey has been concerned and empathetic to the situation. You seriously couldn't expect or ask for more. They both made an "oh sh*t" situation a breeze!

Back to the Radium piece...Based on the design of the coolant overflow tanks, and the alarming increase in crank case pressure from their CCV can, I'm inclined to say that they are using their pedigree to spit out products that have not been tested adequately and are causing more harm than good. I hate this too! Their products are BEAUTIFUL, and they make our engine bays look awesome, but come on guys! Where is the attention to detail? There are easy design changes that could be made on both products that would ELIMINATE these issues, and make their products worth purchasing!

Side note: I still have the PCV catch can installed and will continue to put it through the normal rigors that I subject my poor car to. I use performance parts for track use exclusively, and I test them on the track exclusively. If I can't break it, I vouch for it. If it breaks me, then it's my responsibility to all of you to give you my experiences to help you make informed decisions.

End rant.

 

[Tougefl5]

Few things happened the past few days. When I was installing my PRL intercooler and PRL charge pipes, I noticed a small amount of oil in my charge pipes during removal. So I ordered up the Radium dual catch can kit, and installed it a few days later....Well.......After the install I went for a test drive and noticed large clouds of smoke coming out of my exhaust on decel. I took the car back home and bypassed the CCV can and reinstalled the small metal pipe between the valve cover and intake. I took the car back out for a test drive and it didn't smoke. I was baffled. I was able to blow air both ways between the CCV catch can. I double checked the instructions, was sure I was correct, but was able to reduplicate the issue when I hooked the CCV can back up. I had a Honda Master Tech buddy come over the next morning, and we were easily able to duplicate the issue. His opinion was that the radium ccv was a large distance between the valve cover and intake pipe, and that it was actually increasing crankcase pressure and it was erupting through the turbo seals and in to the exhaust. There was a concerning amount of oil coming all over the bottom of the turbo and running down the drain tube then on to the block.

My next step was to contact @Two Step Performance and 27won. Vlad over at 27won explained that the seals in a ball bearing turbo are quite a bit different than a journal bearing, and that the likely cause was that the catch cans were forcing oil back up the return line and out through the turbo seals. He had me clean everything up and test the car without the catch can attached. So far there have been no further leaks. I still have another 75 miles to go before I check back in with Vlad and let him know how everything is going.

@Two Step Performance and 27won have absolutely top notch customer service, and I'd recommend them to anyone. Vlad has been thorough and patient. Corey has been concerned and empathetic to the situation. You seriously couldn't expect or ask for more. They both made an "oh sh*t" situation a breeze!

Back to the Radium piece...Based on the design of the coolant overflow tanks, and the alarming increase in crank case pressure from their CCV can, I'm inclined to say that they are using their pedigree to spit out products that have not been tested adequately and are causing more harm than good. I hate this too! Their products are BEAUTIFUL, and they make our engine bays look awesome, but come on guys! Where is the attention to detail? There are easy design changes that could be made on both products that would ELIMINATE these issues, and make their products worth purchasing!

Side note: I still have the PCV catch can installed and will continue to put it through the normal rigors that I subject my poor car to. I use performance parts for track use exclusively, and I test them on the track exclusively. If I can't break it, I vouch for it. If it breaks me, then it's my responsibility to all of you to give you my experiences to help you make informed decisions.

End rant.

That's terrible hopefully it works out.
Vlad is the man I was talking to him yesterday. Trying to work something out.

 

[PointByPatrol]

That's terrible hopefully it works out.
Vlad is the man I was talking to him yesterday. Trying to work something out.

Might be fine on a journal bearing, but I doubt it...
The inner diameter of the lines would likely need to be increased to compensate for the large distance between the catch can and the factory connection points. It's a total miss.... They made it fit, threw it in a box, and walked away...

 

[svvitch]

Thanks for taking one for the team here. You really should have a PayPal testing fund link ?

 

[arcticdc5]

@PointByPatrol - came across this guy's posting on FB and looks like your car is getting some new life.

 

[PointByPatrol]

Thanks for taking one for the team here. You really should have a PayPal testing fund link ?

I sell my T-shirts! I make like 6 whole bucks when I sell one!

 

[PointByPatrol]

@PointByPatrol - came across this guy's posting on FB and looks like your car is getting some new life.

The new owner has contacted me a few times, and also did prior to purchasing it at auction. Glad to see that it's not just a pile of trash in some junkyard!

 

[TW00Si]

That’s concerning. I was thinking about ordering those catch cans over the winter, after watching your video. I guess I won’t now.

 

[PointByPatrol]

That’s concerning. I was thinking about ordering those catch cans over the winter, after watching your video. I guess I won’t now.

I'm going to see what the single can does. Fingers crossed!

 

[timestamped]

I'm going to see what the single can does. Fingers crossed!

Thanks for your report, Ben. You might want to run a check valve between the PCV can and the IM, PCV cans on other platforms do and Mishimoto does so on this one. Radium claims their can will withstand boost pressure, but I see no need for it to do so, and have seen a pic of their PCV can leaking.

I enjoy your channel, keep up the good work!

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