Break in Oil Analysis

[2001]

Did my first FL5 oil change at 1100 miles and here is the analysis from Blackstone Labs. Definitely a high molly and boron initial break in oil from Honda. Or if not a high molly oil then molly assembly lube.

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[menikmati]

This is good baseline info, do you plan on getting more UOAs in the future?

 

[2001]

This is good baseline info, do you plan on getting more UOAs in the future?

If I do them then yes but I was planning to have the next one done at Honda when the maintenance minder comes up.

 

[s2kdriver80]

If I do them then yes but I was planning to have the next one done at Honda when the maintenance minder comes up.

You can give the vial to the tech and have them collect a sample mid-drain.

 

[egxflash]

anybody better versed in oil analyses care to chime in whether this supports an early change or wait til the MM tells me to?

 

[2001]

anybody better versed in oil analyses care to chime in whether this supports an early change or wait til the MM tells me to?

I didn't cut the filter open to see what was in it but I think it would have been fine to wait longer than 1100 miles based on the oil analysis. Copper was high but I don't know if it is a problem at that level.

 

[Samurai1225]

anybody better versed in oil analyses care to chime in whether this supports an early change or wait til the MM tells me to?

I'm certainly no expert, but I noticed that the flashpoint is below the "should be value" at just 1100 miles driven. Do you short trip your car often? That is an indication of some fuel in the oil sample. That is not an uncommon thing especially with a small displacement turbo-charged DI engine. I'm not sure I would run it out until MM calls for an oil change as that is about 10,000 miles. I'm currently waiting for my first oil analysis to come back on a 6000 run.

 

[2001]

I'm certainly no expert, but I noticed that the flashpoint is below the "should be value" at just 1100 miles driven. Do you short trip your car often? That is an indication of some fuel in the oil sample. That is not an uncommon thing especially with a small displacement turbo-charged DI engine. I'm not sure I would run it out until MM calls for an oil change as that is about 10,000 miles. I'm currently waiting for my first oil analysis to come back on a 6000 run.

I noticed the flashpoint data also and I do have a 10 mile commute so it is mostly short trips. No noticeable fuel smell to the oil though.

 

[egxflash]

I'm certainly no expert, but I noticed that the flashpoint is below the "should be value" at just 1100 miles driven. Do you short trip your car often? That is an indication of some fuel in the oil sample. That is not an uncommon thing especially with a small displacement turbo-charged DI engine. I'm not sure I would run it out until MM calls for an oil change as that is about 10,000 miles. I'm currently waiting for my first oil analysis to come back on a 6000 run.

Gotcha.

I'm probably only going to see 5k a year on my DE5 so my plan was to change the oil at the 1 yr mark so that tracks.

 

[TurboZed-R]

How many miles were on the car when you took delivery? I'm an advocate for early changes and do 500 miles, 1500, then 5k intervals. A new car is ran through extremely short trips before its sold, gas station, inspection drive, moving around the lot etc,. That's a good enough reason for me to change early, not including removing break in metal, assembly lube, etc.

 

[menikmati]

How many miles were on the car when you took delivery? I'm an advocate for early changes and do 500 miles, 1500, then 5k intervals. A new car is ran through extremely short trips before its sold, gas station, inspection drive, moving around the lot etc,. That's a good enough reason for me to change early, not including removing break in metal, assembly lube, etc.

If that were actually required then Honda would have put that in their maintenance schedule/minder programming to remove liability from damaged engines that had their factory oil fill. There are no reports that I am aware of that have shown that replacing the factory fill early to correlate to engine longevity. Purely psychological IMO.

 

[TurboZed-R]

If that were actually required then Honda would have put that in their maintenance schedule/minder programming to remove liability from damaged engines that had their factory oil fill. There are no reports that I am aware of that have shown that replacing the factory fill early to correlate to engine longevity. Purely psychological IMO.

It is highly unlikely anyone will have an oil related failure following manufacturer guidelines. Changing oil early is something that has been done by enthusiasts for a long time. I've never had a performance car burn oil, or have an oil related failure with my current oil change protocol.

 

[Icehawk]

Honda claims this is "break-in" oil and should be changed ~5k miles or at the first MM. I don't think this stuff is all that critical to be honest, the main thing is to not run oil too long/hot.

 

[menikmati]

Honda claims this is "break-in" oil and should be changed ~5k miles or at the first MM. I don't think this stuff is all that critical to be honest, the main thing is to not run oil too long/hot.

I agree.

 

[ToddR]

Honda claims this is "break-in" oil and should be changed ~5k miles or at the first MM. I don't think this stuff is all that critical to be honest, the main thing is to not run oil too long/hot.

I agree.

Any good modern synthetic is going to have a strong additive package and most of the “break in” is happening in the first couple of hundred miles. Not that parts won’t continue to wear and mesh with each other, but my practice has always been to change oil earlier on to remove the wear particulates as those can cause more damage than not having an alleged “break in oil” in long enough.

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