BuntaTypeR
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Do you feel that those front canards work?Fender liner vents in.
Can't wait for the last few pieces to arrive next week to wrap this all up.
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Do you feel that those front canards work?Fender liner vents in.
Can't wait for the last few pieces to arrive next week to wrap this all up.
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You can't feel them one way or another honestlyDo you feel that those front canards work?
Looks like a single oil cooler (blue) and either a transmission cooler or auxiliary radiator (silver)
That’s clean, I like it!Fender liner vents in.
Can't wait for the last few pieces to arrive next week to wrap this all up.
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Thank youThat’s clean, I like it!
Off topic — The front splitter caught my eye, also custom work?
The Spoon bumper is actually pretty different than what the stock FL5 has, in the pictures it seems like they removed the crash bar I think.
Only going off based Honda's water temp reading, which I thought was actual? It's the Honda Oil temp that is calculated. I do have a Glowshift dual oil temp / pressure gauge I'm going to wire up in time for August track days.Aren’t all your readings based on Hondas “estimated/calculated” values though? Or do you have actual gauges tapped into the lines? Sorry if I missed it somewhere if you do have readings. Otherwise how do you know your cooling mods are ineffective?
Does the aux radiator really work?Looks like a single oil cooler (blue) and either a transmission cooler or auxiliary radiator (silver)
Have you tried g plus and evil energy?@BuntaTypeR great info, thanks for sharing. I noticed you posted a screenshot of a Mishimoto 19 row cooler. I've compared physically quite a few oil coolers... I've found that Mishimoto oil coolers are the exact same visually (row and fin type, connector type, mounting type) as the much cheaper Evil Energy brand on Amazon, and also the same as the even cheaper G-Plus brand on Ebay. I pressed Misihi for oil pressure drop data and... they just ghosted me lmfao. Their coolers are so cheap to them its no wonder they can offer their "lifetime" replacement warranty. Conversely, Setrab and Earls coolers look identical visually, but they have different threaded fittings for the cores themselves. I'd recommend either of the latter. Just my observations.
@siwelnosaj Gonna have to copy some of your implementations, like the fender vent.
The FL5 runs hot, yo! Of course @PointByPatrol, Gridzilla, and others have already shown this. But 230F water temp for me at my home track, with an external oil cooler and radiator plumbed in... reminded me of my Subaru STI days. Blew two of those up at Road America, stock power too lmfao. Those subies also ran 230+ F water temps, and that was with Koyo Radiator. I want to see water temps around 220F max, preferably around 215F max.
Im waiting for casale to reply. I asked if they sell it.Looks like they are using this brake duct or something extremely similar
https://www.speedengineering.de/en/...m-suitable-for-civic-type-r-fk8-complete-set/
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On my first fk8 I did something similar but it was far less refined and ultimately I just went back and stuck with the OEM duct
Then a few years ago I got the AP racing bbk and they recommend removing the dust shield and just using the OEM duct so it's what I've done ever since with zero issues along the way.
That said it's still an intriguing concept.
As for the spoon oil cooler; they are using the casale bespoke duct designed for them to create a ram air effect over the cooler, and they must feel like the sheer volume of air coming from this duct gets the job done.
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It was definitely a consideration to do something like this but in the end I didn't want to cut the painted bumper because I felt like others if they wanted to copy wouldn't be up for that. My goal was to see if I could find a way to minimally alter the OEM look and still provide adequate cooling.
And that's where the Japanese Honda research and development team became a big inspiration. They use a Mugen front grill piece that's a bit different, and as far as a can tell it also isn't for sell. I've seen a number of the different Japanese teams use this piece as well, I suspect for the same reasons (to provide cooling).
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So ultimately what I've been working on is my own take on the Japanese r&d concept.
It's worth noting this decision to go with 2 oil coolers down low and the secondary radiator behind the main grill, it's based on the system I developed on my fk8 and it worked very well. The challenges with the fl5 have really just been how to provide air to oil coolers without totally cutting up the bumper, and at least for myself I'm happy with the concept so far.
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I get the remaining pieces for my fl5 kit (covers, clamps, sandwich plate) from UPS on Wednesday and plan to have everything installed that night, testing on the street the following day (been 100+ lately so it'll be a good test). Street testing will only tell us so much though, and ultimately I need to take it to the track which I hope to do this September (really just comes down to money).
It's also worth pointing out that like with the fk8 set up I had, I don't expect this to be 100% bullet proof in every conceivable condition. Prob still can't track in 100+ temps. But I myself have never overheated with this set up on the fk8, even in temps in the 85-92 range (it did start to get warm though). Anything under that and I never even got close to an issue, even with running chassis record times at prominent West Coast tracks over full sessions (I put 6 laps in a row under the previous record at Sonoma, granted it wasn't that hot that day). My coolant peaked at 203 and oil at 236. Meanwhile the next day gridzilla was at the same track, same weather, and while going only a few laps, around 2.5 seconds slower on the best one, he was seeing oil get to over 300.
So we'll see but I'm optimistic this set up will work. This isn't a totally different car than the fk8, and I can't see why the same concept won't yield at least similar results. Additionally I'm cautiously optimistic that the ducting approach with the oil coolers might in fact be more efficient than my ram air concept on the fk8, but we shall see.