Cobb Tuning Accessport FL5 support starts 8/5/24

[Jester04]

Good info, thank you! I like seeing others opinion especially when they have used both. This is for sure something I am considering my build will end up with the new version of the RV6 turbo/inlet and a catted downpipe.

I do not have access to flex fuel in my area so pump gas all the way for me. I do not live in an emissions area, simply just paying my dues when it comes time. I have no experience with Hondata or have a laptop to run it on so there is added cost but then again I could be wrong.

I have some customers that don’t have pc laptops. They just borrow a family member’s or just buy a cheap one. But just for reference with a big turbo you are almost guaranteed to get an error code due to the airflow the new turbo makes. You can clear it with Cobb but won’t be able to shut it off. So depending on your needs you will have to make your choice.

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[TypeRD]

In my opinion, Hondata has a ton of experience with the FL5 and exclusively works with Honda. Cobb is a corporate solution who just wants to get a piece of a market they think can make them some more money.

My vote is Hondata and the already reputable Honda tuners. Remote tuning is a great solution.

This is he way. Hondata is practically synonymous with Honda and for GREAT reason. Hell…you can’t even spell Hondata, without spelling Honda first.

 

[ItsMeNickG]

FlashPro is $795. The Hondata jailbreak form states "Jailbreak $275 plus freight ($60 USA / $110USD Canada /$125 Puerto Rico)". So total would be just over $1k? Sorry, guess I could just contact Hondata.

Just wait and hope the Hondata tour ends up being in or near your area, they offer a good deal for the Flashpro and jailbreak on the spot . I skipped on the last 2 near me but will hop on it at the next opportunity.

 

[TW00Si]

I have some customers that don’t have pc laptops. They just borrow a family member’s or just buy a cheap one.

I’m that guy. I “upgraded” my wife’s 10 year old MAC book with an Acer windows laptop that was around $310 from Amazon. For the price it’s not too bad and should last around 3 years before it turns into a brick.

 

[Sullivan0930]

Yes I noticed that after I posted, however, the process to ship to cobb seems pretty seamless, they ship you a box with return shipping and overnighted back to you, not sure if there is any extra cost or not I did not see a separate charges. Also, no need to write down a credit card number on a sheet of paper, which for me was a bit sketch, not saying it identity theft would happen but my mind is very flawed thinking of worst case all the time.

With robinhood creditcard (maybe others too) you can generate a one time use credit card number. id used that in this instance.

 

[COBB Tuning]

Shipping is included both ways and there is no jailbreak fee. Both Hondata and Cobb Tuning are reputable companies. There's nothing wrong with going with who you're comfortable with.

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Thanks for clarifying that Clark_Kent! You are correct - overnight shipping, with a provided foam-molded (unbranded, for security/safety) box is included!

To your point about both companies being reputable - that's always been our stance as well! We absolutely respect and honor Hondata's predominance and knowledge with Honda. They've absolutely crushed it, and we've even used their stuff on our personal track cars in the past - S2000s and the like (we're all enthusiasts after all)!

With that said - we offer an alternative solution/option for folks looking for something a bit different with the FL5/DE5 or FK8. Each company fulfills a different need, and at the end of the day, it's all about providing the best solution for the end-user's needs. Competition is great in the industry too - it spurs innovation, excitement, and brings more people into the culture of tuning/modifying!

- Matt@COBB

 

[COBB Tuning]

A few examples just to throw out there and considerations. I just hate to see people waste money.

Catless and some catted downpipes will trigger a CEL, some intakes will do as well, if you upgrade your turbo and it is moving a lot of air you can also get a CEL. Upgraded bypass valves like the RV6 ones will also trigger a code.

Also this has nothing to do with me tuning on Hondata just to be clear, I used to tune a lot of Cobb back in the day also. But they have been known to drop support for some Accessports out of the blue if the product is not selling well since they won’t waste time and resources into a failing product.

A few cars that some of you might not remember that were supported, RX8 and 8th gen civic got dropped, same with the N54 bmw platform. Also no end user adjustability, you absolutely have to go through a “protuner”. I got burned bad by cobb during a race season with a customer running the global time attack. After all of this I decided it was not the right product for me or my customers. It is not a bad product, just that you are more limited and have some restrictions. So make sure to take those into account before spending your money and find what works for you and keep realistic expectations.

Hey, Jester04!

You're correct - we don't offer the ability to deactivate or disable any emissions-related DTCs (diagnostic trouble codes). Being a US-based company, regulatory compliance towards emissions isn't optional - it's required - for continued operation for /all/ companies, big, small, and anywhere in between.

Unfortunately, there's not yet an aftermarket, high-flow catalyst/downpipe that meets OE/CARB-spec without DTC modulation.

Airflow modifications, specifically Intakes, when tuned appropriately and accurately, won't trigger a DTC, so there's no need for anything to be disabled for proper operation. As a matter of fact, we've been diligently at work with development on our own Redline (carbon fiber) SF Intake for the FL5/DE5 and have some wildly exciting results to share here shortly. Turbos follow suit in most cases, with proper ECU RE (reverse engineering).

I think our initial foray into Honda deserves a bit of context. At that time (~2006-2010), the Si, RSX, 350Z, and RX8 (the cars often referenced in this era) were all naturally aspirated. Forced induction wasn't commonplace, and we were /all/ experimenting with methods of making efficient power. Unfortunately, no matter the mod, the price per power gained on any of the N/A platforms exceeded what was marketably feasible. As time passed, the demand waned for N/A cars as more accessible, more easily modifiable turbocharged options came onto the scene.

Following the market, we shifted resources. It wasn't out of spite or abandonment. It was about following what our customers and advocates wanted and demanded. That brought us to what we're ubiquitously associated with today - small displacement, turbocharged engines, spanning domestic (Ford), Euro (VW, Audi, Porsche), and JDM (Mazda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru). We have a tremendously wide breadth of support and knowledge, spanning cars generating 150HP to others making over 2000HP.

Thankfully, with Honda bringing a turbocharged powerplant to the FC1/FE1/FK8/FL5/DE5, we found a wonderful new arena to revisit with significant potential.

Echoing what you said though - we aren't the solution for everyone - I'll readily admit that! We are, however, the solution for those looking for an established, turnkey solution providing compliant hard parts and tuning solutions for some of our most expensive investments.

- Matt@COBB

 

[COBB Tuning]

THIS is what people should be looking at.
Our cars ECU works in a unique way.

Personally I wouldn't even consider COBB until it matures in a few years.

I can absolutely respect and understand this viewpoint, but I think it's worth considering that the Bosch MED17 controller used in the Type R is shared between other COBB-supported vehicles within Porsche and Volkswagen, which we have a keen expertise in. As Jester04 pointed out appropriately, there's nuance and seat-time needed in every platform, but we're quite versed in that realm. We also have a worldwide network of specialized Protuners to help meet the need if you want to push the limits of the platform beyond OTS (Off-the-Shelf) mapping.

- Matt@COBB

 

[Bigfx]

@COBB Tuning will pro-tuners have the ability to unlock the ecu in the future? Also I have used Cobb since the n54 days and always had a great experience so I’m happy to see yall in this tuning space. Also any chance yall would do unlocks for people who drive up?

 

[Two Step Performance]

@COBB Tuning will pro-tuners have the ability to unlock the ecu in the future? Also I have used Cobb since the n54 days and always had a great experience so I’m happy to see yall in this tuning space. Also any chance yall would do unlocks for people who drive up?

I did see elsewhere that you can arrange an in person unlock at their facility in TX.

 

[COBB Tuning]

@COBB Tuning will pro-tuners have the ability to unlock the ecu in the future? Also I have used Cobb since the n54 days and always had a great experience so I’m happy to see yall in this tuning space. Also any chance yall would do unlocks for people who drive up?

Hey, BigFX!

This is something that we're in the preliminary stages of exploring - no timeline on it being available, but we're scoping out the feasibility, as there are quite a few moving pieces associated with it

Glad to hear you had a positive experience with our BMW products! Those cars are an absolute riot to drive - so much power on the table, with just a flash!

Absolutely! We offer on-site unlock/flashing if you're in the Austin, TX area. We're always here, M-F, 9a-6p. You can reserve and schedule times on our website directly too during the checkout process to streamline the whole experience.

Otherwise, as the others have pointed out, we include at no extra charge a pre-labeled overnight shipping box with custom molds for the ECU so you can send it our way for lightning-fast turnaround. We understand that for a lot of folks, these cars are their daily drivers, so we want to minimize the down-time as much as feasibly possible

- Matt@COBB

 

[Jester04]

Hey, Jester04!

You're correct - we don't offer the ability to deactivate or disable any emissions-related DTCs (diagnostic trouble codes). Being a US-based company, regulatory compliance towards emissions isn't optional - it's required - for continued operation for /all/ companies, big, small, and anywhere in between.

Unfortunately, there's not yet an aftermarket, high-flow catalyst/downpipe that meets OE/CARB-spec without DTC modulation.

Airflow modifications, specifically Intakes, when tuned appropriately and accurately, won't trigger a DTC, so there's no need for anything to be disabled for proper operation. As a matter of fact, we've been diligently at work with development on our own Redline (carbon fiber) SF Intake for the FL5/DE5 and have some wildly exciting results to share here shortly. Turbos follow suit in most cases, with proper ECU RE (reverse engineering).

I think our initial foray into Honda deserves a bit of context. At that time (~2006-2010), the Si, RSX, 350Z, and RX8 (the cars often referenced in this era) were all naturally aspirated. Forced induction wasn't commonplace, and we were /all/ experimenting with methods of making efficient power. Unfortunately, no matter the mod, the price per power gained on any of the N/A platforms exceeded what was marketably feasible. As time passed, the demand waned for N/A cars as more accessible, more easily modifiable turbocharged options came onto the scene.

Following the market, we shifted resources. It wasn't out of spite or abandonment. It was about following what our customers and advocates wanted and demanded. That brought us to what we're ubiquitously associated with today - small displacement, turbocharged engines, spanning domestic (Ford), Euro (VW, Audi, Porsche), and JDM (Mazda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru). We have a tremendously wide breadth of support and knowledge, spanning cars generating 150HP to others making over 2000HP.

Thankfully, with Honda bringing a turbocharged powerplant to the FC1/FE1/FK8/FL5/DE5, we found a wonderful new arena to revisit with significant potential.

Echoing what you said though - we aren't the solution for everyone - I'll readily admit that! We are, however, the solution for those looking for an established, turnkey solution providing compliant hard parts and tuning solutions for some of our most expensive investments.

- Matt@COBB

Glad you finally joined the forums, on the intake side most I have seen do not trigger check engine lights. The only one I have seen that has caused some DTC issues is the gruppe M intake.

And I agree the accessport is capable, I myself tuned many cars on your products and even ran them on my personal cars also a long time ago with great results. @Two Step Performance has a very nice downpipe that will not trigger a CEL with a Gesi cat, CARB approved not sure but it does work. I’m pretty sure you guys are working on some parts that are CARB approved for the platforms like your previous offerings

Wish you the best in this venture, and I understand the reasoning for cancelling the AP on some models.

 

[TurboZed-R]

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Thanks for clarifying that Clark_Kent! You are correct - overnight shipping, with a provided foam-molded (unbranded, for security/safety) box is included!

To your point about both companies being reputable - that's always been our stance as well! We absolutely respect and honor Hondata's predominance and knowledge with Honda. They've absolutely crushed it, and we've even used their stuff on our personal track cars in the past - S2000s and the like (we're all enthusiasts after all)!

With that said - we offer an alternative solution/option for folks looking for something a bit different with the FL5/DE5 or FK8. Each company fulfills a different need, and at the end of the day, it's all about providing the best solution for the end-user's needs. Competition is great in the industry too - it spurs innovation, excitement, and brings more people into the culture of tuning/modifying!

- Matt@COBB

Hey Matt! I was wondering If Mike G had any influence on the FL5 OTS maps. Thank you in advance

 

[COBB Tuning]

Hey Matt! I was wondering If Mike G had any influence on the FL5 OTS maps. Thank you in advance

Hey there! Our Honda calibration work is currently being handled purely by our internal calibration team. I assume you're referencing Mike of Innovative Tuning? He is no longer a formal employee here at COBB but does still help with some contract calibration work on certain projects.

Marshall@COBB

 

[TurboZed-R]

Hey there! Our Honda calibration work is currently being handled purely by our internal calibration team. I assume you're referencing Mike of Innovative Tuning? He is no longer a formal employee here at COBB but does still help with some contract calibration work on certain projects.

Marshall@COBB

Awesome! Been waiting for the FL5 release, I'll be ordering from your website I had mike tune my 15 Sti and heard he was heading to Cobb (2015-2016 I think) only reason I ask. Thank you Cobb team

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