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Yeah, mine did it again yesterday. Got my sub installed and was driving around and it happened, and I was fully depressed on the clutch no doubt about it this time.
JonathanA0315
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I hear you, i took mine to Honda and said that everything is normal. A good buddy of mine that’s been working for Honda for a while told me that there has been multiple complaints about it. Funny thing is very few people are willing to admit to it. Im just adjusting to this car and it kind of helps. But its getting tiring, i wanted to be smooth. I might try some things before i decide to sell it.
Tickle
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I haven't checked this topic out because I haven't had this issue at all in 24,000 miles. That is a bummer for those who are having the issue. I can't imagine keeping it a secret though.
CTR
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I'll try to find a good video or photos that explains this. Basically every gear should use a different hand placement to make it impossible to shift into the wrong gear. I learned it while driving my S2000 and it's become habit now. It really does make a difference and gives confidence once it becomes muscle memory.
I've noticed that 2nd gear in my car is a little harder to get into under heavy braking sometimes. I think this is the nature of the forces the car is under though and might just be what we have to live with. Yes the car rev matches on upshifts as well.
Am I lucky or maybe the people with issues are unlucky? This seems like a very small minority on the FL5 compared to the FK8 so Honda did improve things. If you are experiencing a lot of issues you need to take it into the dealer to get it checked out. You have a warranty for a reason.
Maybe if you slam gears and grind the synchro a few times it becomes damaged and will continue to grind until you fix it?
The shifter in the FL5/DE5 is definitely notchier than most other cars. The only car that I have personally driven that is as precise while still being notchy is an S2000. This amazing feel comes with the tradeoff that you WILL feel when the synchros don't work perfectly on upshifts or downshifts.
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CTR
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If you want to feel a shitty transmission go drive something with a T56. Everyone raves about how amazing they are until you drive one and have to slam every gear under normal driving conditions.
T56 Magnum is better from what I hear but I have yet to drive one myself.
If you're grinding gears multiple times within the first 600 miles you are the problem or the car should be repaired under warranty. Simple as that.
wolo
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Yes apparently you are lucky and people and issues are unlucky. You said "improve" and that's very accurate. Honda improved the transmission but didn't completely fix it. That's why people here still complain about the second gear. How can you judge it's user's error without actually experiencing it? And if it's user's error, why only on the second gear, not the third, or the fourth? Why did many experienced manual drivers only ground FL5's second gear, not other sport cars'?
It's been mentioned by many users and me if you read the thread, but I'll repeat for you - it's an on and off thing so it's likely an edge case that requires many factors. It's doubtful for the dealer to reproduce the issue so the dealer will do nothing about it. I've seen people tried and dealer did nothing.
CTR
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There are many people with FK8 Type R's that have had their transmissions rebuilt or replaced under warranty. If you have a brand new car that is grinding 2nd gear multiple times in 600 miles (someone has said that here) you should take it to the dealer and it should be fixed.
If you have scratched 2nd gear 2-3 times in 10,000 miles that is likely not an issue that can be fixed under warranty. You have to remember that the people that are the most vocal are the ones having issues. For every 1 person that complains about grinding 2nd gear there could be 100 that have zero issues.
If you have scratched 2nd gear 2-3 times in 10,000 miles that is likely not an issue that can be fixed under warranty. You have to remember that the people that are the most vocal are the ones having issues. For every 1 person that complains about grinding 2nd gear there could be 100 that have zero issues.
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I took it to to my dealer today
. I had it happen within 25 miles, I'm at 780 now. I gave it time to stop, or not, It hasn't.He's an obvious troll.
wolo
Member
That's exactly what I meant. Compared to FK8, it's improved and fewer people have the issue. But can't deny that the issue is still there and can't say it's usually the user's error.
In my case, it ground every few hundred miles. I hope the dealer can fix it if it gets worse and before the warranty expires. Will talk to the dealer during the next service.
CTR
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Definitely bring it up every service appointment. When I had my Tacoma I noted every paint issue during those appointments and it helped my case later. Look up "Super White Tacoma paint recall" if you want to hear about a huge issue in another reputable brand. Honda will take care of you if you can replicate the problem with a technician in the car.
I know I keep bringing up my S2000 but it would grind second like 20% of the time shifting hard from 1st to 2nd. It was annoying but after changing my shifting style it was definitely reduced. It was infrequent enough that I started looking at myself as the main variable and it ended up making a big difference.
A redline shift from 1st to 2nd is a pretty aggressive condition that's hard to pull off quickly in a lot of cars especially with wheel hop and loss of traction. The reason it doesn't happen in the other gears is because the synchros aren't working as hard and the forces on the engine/transmission/driver aren't as extreme.
Starchland
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Who with this issue has verified correct clutch pedal free play adjustment? (Don’t rely on the dealer to do this) also turn off auto rev matching, learn how to drive the car. A clutch delay valve will cause pedal inconsistencies and lack feedback
Websitesdown
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I checked my clutch pedal engagement the other day after watching the video. Mine's tight as it should be. I'm thinking my issue is the rev hang and the Clutch Delay Valve combined at this point honestly.
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