Tracking with Type S module vs Type R

[Nikw91]

Hey all,

I've just had my 3rd track day (Sebring, Sebring, Daytona) and have experienced some understeer in the really tight infield turns recently.

My ONLY suspension mod is the Integra Type S module. (Factory Michelin PS4S)

I was looking at rear sway bars and when it came time to pay, it hit me that the stiffer Type R module might help the back end rotate more in the really tight turns.

Other than the super tight turns, the car feels very well balanced OEM.

Wondering what the forums would recommend? Leave it as is? Add a stiffer rear sway bar? Switch back to Type R module? Switch sway bar and module?

Thank you!

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[SlowAP2]

I only have a couple autox events on my ITS ads so far and find needing to up my rear bars stiffness with it vs the CTR one.

Having only 3 track days under your belt, little hesitant to say toss parts at it. How much rear toe you have?

Don't think I would swap back to the CTR ADS, especially at Sebring. Daytona is probably 100% fine to swap back if you were really inclined.

 

[Nikw91]

I only have a couple autox events on my ITS ads so far and find needing to up my rear bars stiffness with it vs the CTR one.

Having only 3 track days under your belt, little hesitant to say toss parts at it. How much rear toe you have?

Don't think I would swap back to the CTR ADS, especially at Sebring. Daytona is probably 100% fine to swap back if you were really inclined.

You’re definitely right, Sebring is bumpy like you’re inferring. Daytona is a lot smoother!

I’ve always wanted to try autocross but I’ve been turned away from it.

Correct me if I’m wrong but a lot of my friends don’t autocross because you run a handful of 1 minute and couple second laps. So maybe 10-15 mins total of seat time per a whole day at an autocross event.

At track days it’s 3 to 5 twenty minute sessions which is some substantial seat time I feel like to get to learn the cars limits.

 

[AZCWTypeR]

Assuming you already have the CTR module, it only takes maybe 15 minutes to swap modules.
Serious track day owners often add negative front camber. I did this on a CRX Si and the difference was night and day. I'll warn the difference is not always good, such as serious lift throttle overseer if taken too far. Cornering g's increased significantly though.

 

[zumbooruk]

I do not track. and I am not a very good driver.

that said

I purchased the DE5 ITS ADS module a day after I took delivery of my FL5.

It took the edge off the bouncy jittery FL5 OEM ride, which my old back really appreciated.

The ITS comfort mode was acceptable for daily driving. yet I had to manually remember to switch before going on a fun ride or on-ramps.

also the ITS module was softer in all modes, including +R so it did not go to "hardest" in +R

but now I have the DSC controller and I love it. highly recommended.

the best thing about the DSC is that it automagically adjusts across a the entire range from softest (almost supple) to hardest when in comfort mode based on the inputs. I no longer have to fiddle with the mode as I drive

DSC sport goes from medium to hardest, and hard to hardest in +R mode.

yet my understanding from some other threads here, is that even in +R mode on the track it is much better than the FL5 module.

 

[SlowAP2]

I’ve always wanted to try autocross but I’ve been turned away from it.

Bit of a tangent here but yes, you get more overall seat time on track but barrier to entry is far lower and easier on equipment. Think of it as additive to track and not 1 vs other.

The skills you learn at autox will make you faster on track quicker than just track days. I use to do in car instruction and TT all over FL and GA. The people with a solid base in autox advanced far quicker. You get comfortable with the car on the limit of grip.

Best site in FL is in Ft Myers not too far from you aswell.

 

[Nikw91]

Bit of a tangent here but yes, you get more overall seat time on track but barrier to entry is far lower and easier on equipment. Think of it as additive to track and not 1 vs other.

The skills you learn at autox will make you faster on track quicker than just track days. I use to do in car instruction and TT all over FL and GA. The people with a solid base in autox advanced far quicker. You get comfortable with the car on the limit of grip.

Best site in FL is in Ft Myers not too far from you aswell.

I see the autocross at the St Lucie Fairgrounds which is close to my house. I’ll try to go next time because what you’re saying does make sense. Daytona was alot of WOT and not many turns.

 

[Nikw91]

Assuming you already have the CTR module, it only takes maybe 15 minutes to swap modules.
Serious track day owners often add negative front camber. I did this on a CRX Si and the difference was night and day. I'll warn the difference is not always good, such as serious lift throttle overseer if taken too far. Cornering g's increased significantly though.

I’ll try to swap out modules between sessions next track day. Probably not going to adjust camber, I drive 450 miles a week to and from work plus Daytona is 150 miles each way. I put almost 1,000 miles in one week I’d eat through tires like nothing

 

[SlowAP2]

I see the autocross at the St Lucie Fairgrounds which is close to my house. I’ll try to go next time because what you’re saying does make sense. Daytona was alot of WOT and not many turns.

I’ve been there once. It’s small. 30-40s course at best. If close maybe worth a shot if not a huge attendance

 

[Nikw91]

I’ve been there once. It’s small. 30-40s course at best. If close maybe worth a shot if not a huge attendance

Yeah it’s like 20 mins away or so.

How many runs do you usually get at an autocross event?

 

[SlowAP2]

Yeah it’s like 20 mins away or so.

How many runs do you usually get at an autocross event?

5 is usually the norm. If events running behind or ton of cars maybe 4. If not many people show up they sometimes do fun runs after. It can vary.

 

[optronix]

I'll chime in with more advocacy for autocross. I would not stack them one vs the other either. They are two separate types of events, they should be viewed as complementary.

That said, it's easy to just lean more heavily towards one than the other. I actually did just that with autocross after I got my DE5- it's just more approachable and FAR less expensive. I did one track event a few months after I got my car, and haven't been back. But I've done at least a dozen autocross events.

Plus the competitive element is way easier to get into in autocross. And I'm not even involved in the classing competition, I just like trying to get as close as I can to fastest time of day (FTD), and I'm getting closer and closer the more seat time I get.

Yes, the actual seat time is way limited vs track/HPDE. Yes, you have to work the course in your off-heat, and sometimes that shit does genuinely suck when it's 100 degrees and humid and you're baking in the sun- or it's 60 degrees, raining, and windy. But it's addicting, and absolutely worth trying.

 

[Nikw91]

I'll chime in with more advocacy for autocross. I would not stack them one vs the other either. They are two separate types of events, they should be viewed as complementary.

That said, it's easy to just lean more heavily towards one than the other. I actually did just that with autocross after I got my DE5- it's just more approachable and FAR less expensive. I did one track event a few months after I got my car, and haven't been back. But I've done at least a dozen autocross events.

Plus the competitive element is way easier to get into in autocross. And I'm not even involved in the classing competition, I just like trying to get as close as I can to fastest time of day (FTD), and I'm getting closer and closer the more seat time I get.

Yes, the actual seat time is way limited vs track/HPDE. Yes, you have to work the course in your off-heat, and sometimes that shit does genuinely suck when it's 100 degrees and humid and you're baking in the sun- or it's 60 degrees, raining, and windy. But it's addicting, and absolutely worth trying.

Back to back great write ups! Thank you!

 

[m3bs]

I’ve only taken mine to CMP and Roebling Road, but I thought the FL5 module on +R felt really good, but I’ve never tried the Acura module. Both are smooth tracks, with minimal use of curbing.

I autocrossed regularly for 15 years before I learned about track day events. I enjoyed autocrossing, but it got to the point that I was having to drive 3 hours to the event and 3 hours home, spent six hours in the sun picking up cones, and got a total of 3-5 minutes of run time. After my first open track day, I never looked back. That was 1991, and I don’t think I’ve run an autocross since.

 

[Nikw91]

I’ve only taken mine to CMP and Roebling Road, but I thought the FL5 module on +R felt really good, but I’ve never tried the Acura module. Both are smooth tracks, with minimal use of curbing.

I autocrossed regularly for 15 years before I learned about track day events. I enjoyed autocrossing, but it got to the point that I was having to drive 3 hours to the event and 3 hours home, spent six hours in the sun picking up cones, and got a total of 3-5 minutes of run time. After my first open track day, I never looked back. That was 1991, and I don’t think I’ve run an autocross since.

That’s what I’ve heard a lot of.

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