2023 Civic Type R Sets New FWD Track Record at Nürburgring!

[Rainy4s]

Misha's berwerk(7:55) to karushell (9:13) timestamp
Record lap's timestamp between berwerk(3:34) and karushell (4:36)
L'argus's same period, timestamp 4:29 to karushell 5:38

He kinda tests his previous suspicion, cannot even close to the redline on the 5th, boost level is way lower, speed is slower than L'argus's by 20 KPH, but ofc temp was way higher.
(The ambient temperature was 14° for the record lap; this time was higher, at the first lap at 23°c; L'argus's test drive was 9°c, humidity unknown)

I tried to trace back what exactly have done to the FL5, but no idea if the oil grade, coolant, intercooler or radiator was changed/mod or not. It's way too hot, looks like 150°c oil temp is the LogR limit, but the oil temp from LogR should be calculated/inferred according to oil pressure cuz there is no actual sensor, just like FK8 EU spec's FL5 maybe having an oil temp/level sensor!. Misha thinks it may have a faulty thermostat since the water temp rise too fast, but the car behaves simialr on Akihiko Nakaya's Suzuka test drive video, the oil temp reaches 145°C at the end of 2nd flying lap with 28°c ambient temperature

claimed stock power/boost，AP CP9660+380mm disk+rs-29 pad，Nitron coilover，Dream automative fully forged wheel+AD09，Eventuri turbo intel+Pipercross air intake， Milltek exhaust Powerflex bushing， Eibach rear camber arm with 26mm anti-roll bar

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[urbo73]

Misha's berwerk(7:55) to karushell (9:13) timestamp
Record lap's timestamp between berwerk(3:34) and karushell (4:36)
L'argus's same period, timestamp 4:29 to karushell 5:38

He kinda tests his previous suspicion, cannot even close to the redline on the 5th, boost level is way lower, speed is slower than L'argus's by 20 KPH, but ofc temp was way higher.
(The ambient temperature was 14° for the record lap; this time was higher, at the first lap at 23°c; L'argus's test drive was 9°c, humidity unknown)

I tried to trace back what exactly have done to the FL5, but no idea if the oil grade, coolant, intercooler or radiator was changed/mod or not. It's way too hot, looks like 150°c oil temp is the LogR limit, but the oil temp from LogR should be calculated/inferred according to oil pressure cuz there is no actual sensor, just like FK8. Misha thinks it may have a faulty thermostat since the water temp rise too fast, but the car behaves simialr on Akihiko Nakaya's Suzuka test drive video, the oil temp reaches 145°C at the end of 2nd flying lap with 28°c ambient temperature

claimed stock power/boost，AP CP9660+380mm disk+rs-29 pad，Nitron coilover，Dream automative fully forged wheel+AD09，Eventuri turbo intel+Pipercross air intake， Milltek exhaust Powerflex bushing， Eibach rear camber arm with 26mm anti-roll bar

Yeah, can't tell much from his video to be honest without knowing what they did to the car. Oil and water temp could be a result of the mods, air intake mod, etc. I bet they know, but won't say on camera. Anyway, leaving those aside, he's going about 20+kph slower than both L'argus and the Honda record lap at least. Is the gearing shorter? Maybe a bit on the record car, and maybe a bit more boost. Not all that conclusive. Redline in 5th would have been if he got up 20kph more or so.

Anyway, I don't think we'll ever know. What I'm interested in is the suspension Honda ran. If they did run in in +R, OEM style, then they left time on the table, which would be unusual.

 

[CTR1633FK2]

The Fk2R does have an oil temp sensor, so I think the FL5 has the same sensor. Check the black cover underneath the oil pan of the Fk8 and the FL5.
The S grade version does not have the A/C condensor, that should help the cooling a bit.

Temperature sensor is shown here: https://www.civicx.com/forum/threads/type-r-owners-manual-and-guide-are-available.12040/page-4

Nr 15 on the diagram. Nr 16 is the black cover under the oil pan.

 

[Rainy4s]

The Fk2R does have an oil temp sensor, so I think the FL5 has the same sensor. Check the black cover underneath the oil pan of the Fk8 and the FL5.
The S grade version does not have the A/C condensor, that should help the cooling a bit.

Temperature sensor is shown here: https://www.civicx.com/forum/threads/type-r-owners-manual-and-guide-are-available.12040/page-4

Nr 15 on the diagram. Nr 16 is the black cover under the oil pan.

I have heard about that actually, but IIRC the US/CA fk8 didn't have that integrated oil temp/level sensor, it's only available in the EU I think. At that moment I thought it is a US spec car, forgetting DA came from the UK, my bad.

I do have a question, Hondata suggested ECU still uses a model based on coolant temperature and ambient air temperature to calculate the oil temp.
so do you have the EU wiring diagram on FK2 or FK8 to kinda confirm it? or can a scanner detect the PID? Thanks!

https://www.hondata.com/forum/viewt...uZc9reLe_cExufI6racvDhh3lRB-DIuLX6YimMRYTMsS0

 

[CTR1633FK2]

I have heard about that actually, but IIRC the US/CA fk8 didn't have that integrated oil temp/level sensor, it's only available in the EU I think. At that moment I thought it is a US spec car, forgetting DA came from the UK, my bad.

I do have a question, Hondata suggested ECU still uses a model based on coolant temperature and ambient air temperature to calculate the oil temp.
so do you have the EU wiring diagram on FK2 or FK8 to kinda confirm it? or can a scanner detect the PID? Thanks!

https://www.hondata.com/forum/viewt...uZc9reLe_cExufI6racvDhh3lRB-DIuLX6YimMRYTMsS0

Sorry, I don't have the wiring diagram. How do I check the PID? Instructions?

 

[urbo73]

So I looked more closely at his video and the Honda record lap video. Look at the first two screenshots below. I know they are from different parts of the track, but it doesn't matter for gearing purposes. Both of them shift from 5-6 at around 228km/hr, which is right near redline in 5th. This proves to me gearing is the same. BTW, look at the dash on the Honda lap video, not the overlay, which is off for some reason.

Next, look at the last two screenshots. You can see that at the same place on track, he's topping out at about 128mph (206 km/h) in 5th while the Honda driver is in 6th, topping at 239km/h - quite a speed difference. This is why the Honda driver shifted at 228km/h in 5th into 6th a bit before. Why the 33km/h speed difference at that point on the track? It could be more boost in his car and/or other factors at play. Maybe a tiny bit more power and/or boost, or warmer tires, or a combination.

 

[keller]

from 5-6 at around 228km/hr, which is right near redline in 5th. This proves to me gearing is the same.

He's claiming only the 6th gear was shorter. Compare the shift lights and speed below (from Misha's ig post). Someone on YT also indirectly measured the engine rpm from the inboard audio and had the same conclusion.

 

[urbo73]

He's claiming only the 6th gear was shorter. Compare the shift lights and speed below (from Misha's ig post). Someone on YT also indirectly measured the engine rpm from the inboard audio and had the same conclusion.

He’s not just claiming 6th is shorter. As an example (there are more), he gets very excited when he’s still in 5th, maxed at 128mph (see screenshot above). He then questions how the Honda driver would have been in 6th. And I’ve already show how and why. So he’s saying 5th is short too. He’s all over the place and not consistent.

 

[UFO CTR]

The Fk2R does have an oil temp sensor, so I think the FL5 has the same sensor. Check the black cover underneath the oil pan of the Fk8 and the FL5.
The S grade version does not have the A/C condensor, that should help the cooling a bit.

Temperature sensor is shown here: https://www.civicx.com/forum/threads/type-r-owners-manual-and-guide-are-available.12040/page-4

Nr 15 on the diagram. Nr 16 is the black cover under the oil pan.

any chance the "S" stands for Integra Type S, as in record car is actually on the DE5, ITS engine map? now that we know the ITS does produce more power and pulls harder out of turns...?

 

[Rainy4s]

Sorry, I don't have the wiring diagram. How do I check the PID? Instructions?

sorry I thought you have an OBD adapter/scanner or devices like that, don't worry about it.
it can check the calculated PID, photo credit: Banshee

 

[Rainy4s]

any chance the "S" stands for Integra Type S, as in record car is actually on the DE5, ITS engine map? now that we know the ITS does produce more power and pulls harder out of turns...?

• #127

EU/JP FL5 has 329/330PS, which is 325hp, with higher octane gas. It's supposed to have a higher output than DE5. And according to info leaked by brochure&spec sheet from Honda DE a month ago, S grade gets the same 329ps power output.

no idea what took them so long to update the configurator for all EU LHD market, but you can check the spec sheet if you want
https://www.honda.de/content/dam/lo...ivic_Type_R_Preise_Daten_Ausstattung_0623.pdf

 

[CTR1633FK2]

I have a Bluetooth OBD device

sorry I thought you have an OBD adapter/scanner or devices like that, don't worry about it.
it can check the calculated PID, photo credit: Banshee

I have tried an OBD elm327 scanner with an app. I see 2 oil temp sensors, but I cannot search for PIDs. Which app do I need?

 

[Clark_Kent]

• #127

EU/JP FL5 has 329/330PS, which is 325hp, with higher octane gas. It's supposed to have a higher output than DE5. And according to info leaked by brochure&spec sheet from Honda DE a month ago, S grade gets the same 329ps power output.

no idea what took them so long to update the configurator for all EU LHD market, but you can check the spec sheet if you want
https://www.honda.de/content/dam/lo...ivic_Type_R_Preise_Daten_Ausstattung_0623.pdf

Thanks for posting this. The Type R S Grade reads a lot like a Civic Type R Limited Edition (sans the CW paint of course). Looking forward to more information being released.

 

[Rainy4s]

I have a Bluetooth OBD device

I have tried an OBD elm327 scanner with an app. I see 2 oil temp sensors, but I cannot search for PIDs. Which app do I need?

sry I don't exactly know what OBD scanner&app the original poster used, and I tried but I couldn't find the thread I read either.
But if your scanner finds 2 oil temp sensors then EU FK2 has it. Right now, the question is if the LogR temp is actually based on the sensor, or is purely calculated based on coolant temperature and ambient air temperature, just like Hondata suggested.
The Log R feature is only available for 2020+ facelifted FK8 and FL5

I tried to find out if the part actually exists on FL5 or not, but it looks like the online part shop didn't have that info yet.

UK 2018 FK8 provided by www.parts-honda.uk

US 2020 FK8 provided by dreamshop.honda.com

 

[rui]

I tried to find out if the part actually exists on FL5 or not, but it looks like the online part shop didn't have that info yet.

The FL5 parts catalog is available on https://dreamshop.honda.com/.

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