Aftermarket Dipstick for K20C1?

[Two Step Performance]

How on earth have I missed this thread??? This is comedic gold!

I'll stir the pot thought. Some people in here are really stressed about an extra cap-full of oil. The Wunderladen stick is just fine. No need to spaz out.

How dare they release an OEM+ solution. Nobody wants that.

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[Cueyo]

"you have paper towels, don't you?"

 

[ctechauto]

How dare they release an OEM+ solution. Nobody wants that.

OEM+ would infer that it has the OEM functionality (measurements) or use case inherently in the design. Moving away from how the OEM one measures is no where near being OEM+ (especially without explanation from the get-go)

 

[Two Step Performance]

"you have paper towels, don't you?"

 

[MooMoo]

Isn't this what forums are for? Next time someone is searching for this they will get a link straight to here.

Some of yall might think this is petty complaining but its not, its a dip stick that was created to solve a problem not introduce another. The thing is most people that are buying this just want readings that are the same as oem, they don't overfill oil for the track and lets be honest, there is no reason what so ever for the low mark to be lower and there is really no good explanation for this.

I will say this, Wunderladen has messaged me and they mentioned they are looking into this and might add extra engravings.
Its nice to have a company that has listened to peoples concerns and are considering a change on the product.

Because its a fucking canvas you can have 17 engravings in there if you want so a chance here to please everyone, the oem + the oem - the oem

 

[ctechauto]

Isn't this what forums are for? Next time someone is searching for this they will get a link straight to here.

Some of yall might think this is petty complaining but its not, its a dip stick that was created to solve a problem not introduce another. The thing is most people that are buying this just want readings that are the same as oem, they don't overfill oil for the track and lets be honest, there is no reason what so ever for the low mark to be lower and there is really no good explanation for this.

I will say this, Wunderladen has messaged me and they mentioned they are looking into this and might add extra engravings.
Its nice to have a company that has listened to peoples concerns and are considering a change on the product.

Because its a fucking canvas you can have 17 engravings in there if you want so a chance here to please everyone, the oem + the oem - the oem

Its not even the design that gets me. Its the lack of explanation on something so rudimentary. Arent they over at Wunderladen engineers? Isnt it a 101 level understanding that changing measurements (or calibration for measurements) that deviate from the original agreed upon method needs some explanation?!

Its like saying hey we released a tape measure, but 1" isnt 25.4mm, its actually 27mm because some obscure use case said it should be. But that use case isnt explained in data or actual final measurements or conversions.

 

[Cueyo]

I will say this, Wunderladen has messaged me and they mentioned they are looking into this and might add extra engravings.

Where's my paycheck? I'll send wunderladen my resume too if they want a "customer focused, interdisciplinary, quality oriented" engineer

 

[0x1d7]

So is there going to be a Wunderland exchange program? I've got a dipstick from them still NIB that I bought a few months ago.

(Of course not)

 

[Montrix]

Its not even the design that gets me. Its the lack of explanation on something so rudimentary. Arent they over at Wunderladen engineers? Isnt it a 101 level understanding that changing measurements (or calibration for measurements) that deviate from the original agreed upon method needs some explanation?!

Its like saying hey we released a tape measure, but 1" isnt 25.4mm, its actually 27mm because some obscure use case said it should be. But that use case isnt explained in data or actual final measurements or conversions.

Feels more along the lines of “On our tape measure, 1” is actually 26mm because some of our customers round up. Also .5” is 10mm instead of 12.7mm just in case. Don’t worry though, it’s still accurate.”

I don’t doubt they spent time researching the markings, etc and they very well may be more accurate to what “full” is. It’s the fact that there was no explanation until someone said something that bothers me.

 

[marcusm86]

The thing is most people that are buying this just want readings that are the same as oem, they don't overfill oil for the track and lets be honest, there is no reason what so ever for the low mark to be lower and there is really no good explanation for this.

This part.. I still dont know how "low" the low marking is or how much oil is in it when its at the full mark... ok.. so i guess the information i get from the dipstick is the same as before... some oil is in it..

 

[MooMoo]

So is there going to be a Wunderland exchange program? I've got a dipstick from them still NIB that I bought a few months ago.

(Of course not)

I dunno but likely not, if you already bought it then do what I will do, just get an engraver and mark the H/L to match the OG stick.

 

[AspecR]

So is there going to be a Wunderland exchange program? I've got a dipstick from them still NIB that I bought a few months ago.

(Of course not)

What color is it? I might take it off your hands, always filled my car with 6 quarts anyway, so the OE dipstick markings was an afterthought

 

[0x1d7]

What color is it? I might take it off your hands, always filled my car with 6 quarts anyway, so the OE dipstick markings was an afterthought

Black, but even if you were interested it's only $70 from TSP... hardly worth the shipping cost.

 

[MooMoo]

What color is it? I might take it off your hands, always filled my car with 6 quarts anyway, so the OE dipstick markings was an afterthought

I have decided I like the OEM one better, mine is black and will have it for sale here soon but if you want it let me know. Ill take $49 shipped/paypalled (I paid $70 + tax if I remember correctly). Was in the car for a week, looks brand new and will be packaged same way I received it

 

[ABPDE5]

Some good points in here, but I think one thing to consider is:
The orange plastic piece on the factory dipstick is likely a "one size fits all" solution that Honda uses on all their dipsticks, regardless of oil pan, etc. While I have no doubt that the center of the orange piece (i.e. length of the dipstick itself) is specific to engine application, I would not be remotely surprised if the high and low marks of the range are generic, likely very conservative, and don't actually reflect the extent of the real high / low points for each engine / oil pan application (which will vary, based on engine / oil pan size, etc.).

If someone took time to measure and develop a solution that is specifically tailored to the K20C... that's great.

Ideally, the reference point for the dipstick is the actual engine / oil pan's appropriate high / low points, not the factory dipstick's high / low points. The factory dipstick is a tool designed to measure the standard, not the standard itself.

Having said that, I cannot attest to the process used to develop the Wunderladen dipstick, it's accuracy, etc. I don't have one, haven't bought one, don't think I'll buy one, etc.

I am just throwing this out there for consideration, as reading through this, it seems like many of you may be overstating the applicability of the high / low points on the factory dipstick and assuming Honda put way more effort into engineering what is -- in all likelihood (to be explicitly clear: this is an assumption) -- a throwaway / generic orange piece of plastic tacked on to all their dipsticks.

(Just... considering that so many have lobbed complaints at Wunderladen for throwing a "one size fits all solution" at the market while ignoring that's likely exactly what Honda is doing... )

And, to reiterate, as I'm sure someone will misconstrue what I've said here:
I have no doubt Honda put effort into ensuring that the approximate middle of the high / low points on the orange plastic piece is appropriate for each engine / oil pan given the dipstick's length, and I have no doubt that the range on the factory high / low points is conservative enough that anything within that range is safe and that Honda took steps to confirm that...
But, I do doubt that they specifically engineered and manufactured different orange plastic pieces with different high / low point ranges for each engine / oil pan they use the plastic piece for. (And again, both dipsticks are tools used to measure the standard, neither is the standard the tools should try to measure.)

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