Anything better than ps4 on the street

[zymmer4]

I'd probably say for the street a high performance all season tire, either the Continental DW06S Plus or the Pilot Sport A/S 4.

I run the Conti DW06S on poor quality WV roads. It does it's job very well..I don't run in winter, as a rule, although I have been caught out in 3 hour runs of snow. The Conti handles snow as well as can be expected..It shines in monsoon type rain. Dry roads are never a problem, and I must drive on a dirt/rock goatpath for the first mile or two before I reach some semblance of pavement. The Conti is a great mud tire, provided you keep moving.

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[optronix]

The answer is no, there isn't a better street tire than the PS4S. Especially for this car, and especially considering the price, I just saw a thread yesterday where you can buy them for sub-$300 from most dealers, or online Honda parts storefronts. Details are hard to nail down, but apparently Honda worked with Michelin specifically for the FL5 to develop "bespoke" PS4S (and Cup 2 Connects) for this platform (HN variants). I'd cite a source but chatgpt hallucinated all over this shit when I asked it so take it with a grain of salt.

And that's not to mention it's probably very easy to grab a used set someone replaced at or near full tread depth for probably less than $400 for the set.

If you had to pick a second the Continental ExtremeContact 02 I've heard is a pretty close match to the PS4S, at less cost than maybe tirerack... but the cheat code with the "dealer discount" is a no-brainer. Or just continue to pick up dirt cheap OEM sets from people who upgrade to 200 TW... or downgrade to all seasons for a winter set.

There is of course the 200 TW conversation for motorsports stuff but I assume that's not what we're talking about here. The PS4S are competent in a track setting if that's something someone wants to do with them, but not competitive. They will however last much longer than pretty much any 200 will though.

IMHO all seasons are only good for one thing- not turning into hockey pucks below 40 degrees. And yeah sure they may last longer and be more comfortable/quieter. Everything else they're mediocre at, by design. IMHO they are 100% NOT good enough for this car in any sort of warm weather. It's blasphemy, yet people continue to do it- I've seen all seasons on a GT4 at an autocross and threw up in my mouth.

If you want more comfort and less noise, I'd question why you chose an FL5 in the first place.

I personally have zero interest in deviating from the factory sizes so went with DWS06+ and they're ok. They do what I need them to do, when I need them to do it, which is from mid-November to mid-March in my section of the mid-Atlantic. I'm as much a Michelin fan as anyone but the Pilot Sport A/S is not much better, if at all, than the Continentals and should not be placed on one of these cars if it's above 60 degrees.

 

[blueroadster]

I am very impressed overall with the street performance of the OEM PS4S tires. I run them year round under various weather and temperature conditions but switch to driving my truck when there is snow on the ground. Great grip in the Summer and less wear/grip when the temperatures dip in the colder months where driving style simply needs an adjustment.

 

[Tougefl5]

You can definitely get good prices for OEM spec tires from Honda. However if you have different size requirements you are SOL as far as the price vs Honda discount.

 

[Shingo Shoji]

I’ve got the Yokohama v601s. Really happy with them. They aren’t as good in the wet but as good in every other way but a lot cheaper.

 

[Noize]

Details are hard to nail down, but apparently Honda worked with Michelin specifically for the FL5 to develop "bespoke" PS4S (and Cup 2 Connects) for this platform (HN variants). I'd cite a source but chatgpt hallucinated all over this shit when I asked it so take it with a grain of salt.

Most of your reply was good, but this part is wrong and needs to be squashed.

Honda didn’t order bespoke PS4S through Michelin for the FL5, but some other companies definitely have for their cars.

The “HN” stamp on some Michelin tires is one such case and stands for “Hyundai N”. Another example is “AO” for “Audi OEM”.

Now you know.

 

[optronix]

Most of your reply was good, but this part is wrong and needs to be squashed.

Honda didn’t order bespoke PS4S through Michelin for the FL5, but some other companies definitely have for their cars.

The “HN” stamp on some Michelin tires is one such case and stands for “Hyundai N”. Another example is “AO” for “Audi OEM”.

Now you know.

Yeah I tried to offer the disclaimer, despite numerous things I've seen on forums, it is like pulling teeth trying to validate that claim with any source of substance. I was very suspect about anything a GPT spit out because I did see the Hyundai reference when I asked for an image... But I think there is at least some legitimacy to there being a specific tire in this size - perhaps optimized for front-wheel drive vs specifically the FL5- as there is a deviance in part numbers, plus the weird one-off discount for ONLY OEM sizes. I just can't seem to find any actual details beyond that.

I think the collaboration thing was for the Cup 2 they used for the 'ring.

In any case, the PS4S are best for this platform for anything that doesn't include motorsports use or driving in inclement weather.

 

[Ktrw]

I would try the Continental ECS02s. Pretty similar performance to the PS4S and they trade blows between categories like wet and dry, but they do seem to be quieter and more comfortable.
I've had PS AS4s and I think they're a great tire, but they definitely lose the edge and performance of a 300TW tire in the corners and braking.

 

[SPH]

Been running the ECS02 as a street tire this summer. 275/35/18 Sticky tire but also much quieter than stock and the wet performance is quality for a summer tire.

 

[MoodySara]

I'm just talking about pure Summer tires here.
I went directly from the Continental Sport Contact 6 on my FK8 to the PS4S on the FL5.
I drove both the same day.
I actually like the Conti better to drive.
A couple reasons.
It's quieter.
It doesn't follow join lines in the pavement like the PS4S does.
It feels more stuck near the limit.
Rain seems about the same between the two.
Of course, the Conti is softer and doesn't last much past 12-15K miles.
I've never considered A/S tires for either the FK8 or FL5. I don't see the point on cars like this.
I have real snow tires/wheels (18") for winter.

 

[Tougefl5]

Couldn't find any other reason to try different tires. So just ordered ps4s however 275 rather than 265 I've got in the past. Just under 1400 from tire rack. Don't remember what 265 cost me Don't think it's much of a difference. I'm hoping a bigger tire might add a bit of rim protection.

 

[zumbooruk]

Most of your reply was good, but this part is wrong and needs to be squashed.

Honda didn’t order bespoke PS4S through Michelin for the FL5, but some other companies definitely have for their cars.

The “HN” stamp on some Michelin tires is one such case and stands for “Hyundai N”. Another example is “AO” for “Audi OEM”.

Now you know.

There are two PS4S in 265/30R19

one is generic, the other is Honda Type R specific.

both TireRack and Discount Tire have both (also both have the same prices since they are essentially the same company, as verified by employees at both)

TireRack has it as DT1, while Discount Tire as HM

note that the "Honda OE" version is heavier (guessing thicker sidewall???)

TireRack DT1

Discount Tire HM

 

[zumbooruk]

There are two PS4S in 265/30R19

one is generic, the other is Honda Type R specific.

both TireRack and Discount Tire have both (also both have the same prices since they are essentially the same company, as verified by employees at both)

TireRack has it as DT1, while Discount Tire as HM

note that the "Honda OE" version is heavier (guessing thicker sidewall???)

TireRack DT1

Discount Tire HM

my OEM PS4S indeed has DT1 on it:

 

[zumbooruk]

There are two PS4S in 265/30R19

one is generic, the other is Honda Type R specific.

both TireRack and Discount Tire have both (also both have the same prices since they are essentially the same company, as verified by employees at both)

TireRack has it as DT1, while Discount Tire as HM

note that the "Honda OE" version is heavier (guessing thicker sidewall???)

TireRack DT1

Discount Tire HM

and similarly from the Michelin website

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/br...24/honda/civic/type-r/265---30ZR19---XL-93(Y)

which lists two options generic MPN 79569

and the OE MPN 08161, and is labeled with "HON" as the manufacturer markings, whereas the actual tire has DT1, go figure...

and the "HON" variation is heavier at 25.1 lbs while the generic is 24.5 lbs

side by side specs:

 

[zumbooruk]

chatgpt hallucinated all over this shit when I asked it so take it with a grain of salt.

Indeed ChatGPT hallucinates a lot...

I found that the best is SuperGrock in DeeperSearch mode (not "Think" which does hallucinate a bit)

I asked SuperGrok in DeeperSearch:

Research if Honda collaborated and worked with Michelin to develop "custom" or "specialized" variation of the Pilot Sport 4 S for the 11th Generation FL5 Honda Type R

also, if there are indeed two variations (generic and Type R specific) of the Pilot Sport 4 S in 265/30ZR19 what are their respective markings and part numbers

here is Grok's answer, seems non-committal with lots of "possibly" and "likely"

### Key Points
- Research suggests Honda and Michelin collaborated to develop a custom Pilot Sport 4 S tire for the FL5 Honda Type R.
- It seems likely there are two variations (generic and Type R specific) in 265/30ZR19 size, with the Type R version possibly marked "DT1."
- The evidence leans toward the generic tire having part number 79569, while the Type R specific tire's part number (possibly 08161) is less certain.

### Tire Collaboration and Variations
Honda likely worked with Michelin to create a specialized Pilot Sport 4 S tire for the FL5 Type R, given the performance focus of the vehicle and industry practices for OE tires. This collaboration typically involves tailoring tire compounds and construction for specific vehicle dynamics, as seen with other manufacturers like BMW. The generic version is widely available for aftermarket purchase, while the Type R specific tire is designed for factory fitment, potentially with enhanced grip and handling characteristics.

### Markings and Part Numbers
The Type R specific tire appears to be marked with "DT1," a designation often used for OE-specific variants with slight differences in tread pattern or compound, based on forum discussions. The generic tire's part number is confirmed as 79569, found on retailer listings like Summit Racing. However, the Type R specific tire's part number, believed to be 08161, could not be verified through standard searches, suggesting it might be a dealer-specific or internal code.

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### Survey Note: Detailed Analysis of Honda and Michelin Collaboration for FL5 Type R Tires

This detailed analysis explores the collaboration between Honda and Michelin for developing a custom or specialized variation of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S tire for the 11th Generation FL5 Honda Civic Type R, focusing on the 265/30ZR19 size.

#### Background on Honda and Michelin Collaboration
The FL5 Honda Civic Type R, launched in 2023, is equipped with 19-inch alloy wheels and Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S tires in the 265/30ZR19 size, as noted in official Honda documentation [Honda Info Center - Wheels and Tires](https://www.hondainfocenter.com/2023/Civic-Type-R/Feature-Guide/Exterior-Features/Wheels-and-Tires/). Industry practices suggest that for high-performance vehicles like the Type R, tire manufacturers often collaborate with automakers to develop OE-specific tires. This is supported by evidence from Carscoops, which discusses how Michelin develops marked tires for brands like BMW, with the Pilot Sport 4S* being a BMW-approved evolution [Carscoops - OE Tires Difference](https://www.carscoops.com/2021/06/yes-original-equipment-oe-tires-do-make-a-difference-and-heres-why/). While direct statements on Honda-Michelin collaboration for the FL5 are scarce, the tailored performance of the tire (described as "super-sticky maximum-performance" by Honda) implies a custom development, likely involving adjustments in compound and construction for optimal grip and handling.

Forum discussions, such as on CivicXI, highlight differences between OE and retail versions, with users noting cost disparities and potential variations in tread depth [CivicXI Forum - Pilot Sport 4S OE vs Retail Pricing](https://www.civicxi.com/forum/threads/pilot-sport-4s-oe-vs-retail-pricing.55373/). This suggests a specialized tire for the Type R, aligning with the user's query about collaboration.

#### Existence of Two Variations
The evidence leans toward there being two variations of the Pilot Sport 4 S in 265/30ZR19: a generic aftermarket version and a Type R specific OE version. The generic version is widely listed on retailer sites like Summit Racing with part number 79569, confirmed for the 265/30R19 size with specifications including a 300AAA UTQG rating and 9/32 or 9.5/32 tread depths depending on manufacturing location [Summit Racing - Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S 265/30R19](https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mhl-79569). The OE version, used on the FL5, is referenced in forum posts with a Honda part number 42751-MIC-174, indicating a dealer-sourced tire at a lower cost ($212 vs. $355–$387 for retail), suggesting differences in specification [CivicXI Forum - Pilot Sport 4S OE vs Retail Pricing](https://www.civicxi.com/forum/threads/pilot-sport-4s-oe-vs-retail-pricing.55373/).

Reddit discussions and tire review sites mention a "DT1" variant of the Pilot Sport 4S, noted for slight differences in tread pattern, compounds, and manufacturing origin, potentially offering tighter handling and performance, especially in wet conditions [Reddit - Michelin Pilot Sport 4S DT1 or Standard](https://www.reddit.com/r/tires/comments/1jccq0k/michelin_pilot_sport_4s_dt1_or_standard/). While not explicitly stated for Honda, the user's belief and forum context suggest the Type R tire is the DT1 version, given its performance focus.

#### Markings: DT1 for Type R Specific Tire
The Type R specific tire is likely marked with "DT1," based on the user's belief and supporting forum and Reddit discussions. The DT1 marking is associated with OE-specific tires, with reports indicating differences like a slightly smaller sidewall height and potentially stiffer construction for enhanced handling [Reddit - Michelin Pilot Sport 4S DT1 or Standard](https://www.reddit.com/r/GLI/comments/1jccdq2/michelin_pilot_sport_4s_dt1_or_standard/). A forum post on Focus RS also notes DT1 relates to tread design for specific vehicle models, supporting the idea that it's used for the Type R [Focus RS Forum - Michelin Pilot Sport 4S Help](https://www.focusrsoc.com/threads/michelin-pilot-sport-4s-help.379024/). The generic tire, conversely, does not have this marking, as seen in standard listings like part number 79569.

#### Part Numbers: Generic and Type R Specific
The generic Pilot Sport 4 S 265/30ZR19 has a confirmed part number of 79569, listed on sites like Summit Racing and Tires Easy, with detailed specifications [Summit Racing - Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S 265/30R19](https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mhl-79569), [Tires Easy - Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 265/30R19](https://www.tires-easy.com/265-30-19/michelin-tires/pilot-sport-4s/tirecode/79569). The Honda part number 42751-MIC-174, mentioned in the forum, is likely the OE part number, but its corresponding Michelin part number remains unconfirmed [CivicXI Forum - Pilot Sport 4S OE vs Retail Pricing](https://www.civicxi.com/forum/threads/pilot-sport-4s-oe-vs-retail-pricing.55373/). Given the user's uncertainty and lack of verification, it's reasonable to note that the Type R specific tire's part number is likely different but not definitively 08161.

#### Table: Comparison of Generic and Type R Specific Pilot Sport 4 S Tires
| Aspect | Generic Version | Type R Specific Version |
|-------------------------|------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------|
| Marking | No DT1 marking | Likely marked with DT1 |
| Part Number | 79569 (confirmed) | Possibly 08161 (unconfirmed) |
| Availability | Aftermarket, retailers like Tire Rack | OE, dealer-sourced (Honda part 42751-MIC-174) |
| Tread Depth | 9/32 or 9.5/32 (varies by origin) | Likely different, specifics unknown |
| Cost (per tire, USD) | $355–$387 (retail) | ~$212 (OE, dealer) |

#### Conclusion and Follow-Up Questions
Research suggests Honda and Michelin collaborated to develop a custom Pilot Sport 4 S for the FL5 Type R, with the Type R specific tire likely marked DT1 and having a different part number from the generic 79569, possibly 08161 as the user believes, though not confirmed. The evidence supports the existence of two variations, with differences in marking and likely performance tuning. For further clarity, consider the following follow-up questions:
- Have you checked with a Honda dealer for the exact Michelin part number for the OE tire?
- Are you looking to purchase replacement tires, and if so, do you need aftermarket or OE specifications?
- Would you like assistance in finding retailer listings for the generic tire with part number 79569?

This detailed analysis aims to provide a comprehensive understanding, inviting further exploration based on your needs.

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### Key Citations
- [CivicXI Forum Post on Pilot Sport 4S OE vs Retail Pricing](https://www.civicxi.com/forum/threads/pilot-sport-4s-oe-vs-retail-pricing.55373/)
- [Carscoops Article on OE Tires Making a Difference](https://www.carscoops.com/2021/06/yes-original-equipment-oe-tires-do-make-a-difference-and-heres-why/)
- [Michelin Page on Marked Tires](https://www.michelinman.com/auto/auto-tips-and-advice/tire-buying-guide/michelin-developed-marked-tires)
- [Summit Racing Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S 265/30R19](https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mhl-79569)
- [Tires Easy Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 265/30R19](https://www.tires-easy.com/265-30-19/michelin-tires/pilot-sport-4s/tirecode/79569)
- [Honda Info Center Wheels and Tires](https://www.hondainfocenter.com/2023/Civic-Type-R/Feature-Guide/Exterior-Features/Wheels-and-Tires/)
- [Reddit Discussion on Michelin Pilot Sport 4S DT1](https://www.reddit.com/r/tires/comments/1jccq0k/michelin_pilot_sport_4s_dt1_or_standard/)
- [Reddit Discussion on Michelin Pilot Sport 4S DT1 for GLI](https://www.reddit.com/r/GLI/comments/1jccdq2/michelin_pilot_sport_4s_dt1_or_standard/)
- [Focus RS Forum on Michelin Pilot Sport 4S Help](https://www.focusrsoc.com/threads/michelin-pilot-sport-4s-help.379024/)

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