FL5 Overheated on Track

[BigBird]

Did you reset the Trip odometer? I wonder if doing that may have gave you a more accurate reading

I didn't, that's a good theory to try for someone

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[Aero1900]

I'm curious about the intercooler and oil cooler blocking airflow to the radiator.

I haven't bought or installed either yet so I don't have a good sense of how much air flow those items would block. I'd really need to actually do the install and see.

What's the concensus on the first thing to overheat: coolant or oil?

I'm headed to my first track day with this car next month. In Florida. Im going to go mostly stock aside from brake fluid so I can kind of get a "baseline" feel. I was certainly planning on the PRL and HEL coolers but now I'm not so sure.

The other thing I haven't decided is what oil to run. I've only got 1100 miles on the Type R so I was thinking of just running the factory oil, taking it easy on the car and then changing oil afterwards. Still undecided on what oil to run.

I'd appreciate any insights.

On a slightly different note, I've run about 60 or 70 track days in a wide variety of cars and have come to the conclusion that people need to be easy on their cars. If you are tracking your daily driver you must realize the number 1 priority is to drive away damage free. You must sacrifice lap times to preserve your car and your wallet. The track I used to run a lot (High Plains Raceway in Colorado) could eat brakes for breakfast. I see a lot of my buddies roast their brakes and end up in the dirt. After seeing that multiple times, I just started baking off. Lap times be dammed, but I let off the gas a bit early and let it slow down a bit before I got on the brakes. Taking care of the car is more important to me than shaving a second off my lap time. Driving the car home with no damage is a good day. Just had to say it!

 

[BigBird]

I'm curious about the intercooler and oil cooler blocking airflow to the radiator.

I haven't bought or installed either yet so I don't have a good sense of how much air flow those items would block. I'd really need to actually do the install and see.

What's the concensus on the first thing to overheat: coolant or oil?

I'm headed to my first track day with this car next month. In Florida. Im going to go mostly stock aside from brake fluid so I can kind of get a "baseline" feel. I was certainly planning on the PRL and HEL coolers but now I'm not so sure.

The other thing I haven't decided is what oil to run. I've only got 1100 miles on the Type R so I was thinking of just running the factory oil, taking it easy on the car and then changing oil afterwards. Still undecided on what oil to run.

I'd appreciate any insights.

On a slightly different note, I've run about 60 or 70 track days in a wide variety of cars and have come to the conclusion that people need to be easy on their cars. If you are tracking your daily driver you must realize the number 1 priority is to drive away damage free. You must sacrifice lap times to preserve your car and your wallet. The track I used to run a lot (High Plains Raceway in Colorado) could eat brakes for breakfast. I see a lot of my buddies roast their brakes and end up in the dirt. After seeing that multiple times, I just started baking off. Lap times be dammed, but I let off the gas a bit early and let it slow down a bit before I got on the brakes. Taking care of the car is more important to me than shaving a second off my lap time. Driving the car home with no damage is a good day. Just had to say it!

I ran 300V 5W-30 and the car ran with tune and no hiccups

It all depends on what you want from a car on track. I do time trials/time attack, and used my daily to do it, so it is intense and you do need every tenth you can get. That being said, I did crash the FL5 on a hot, greasy track, and finally decided to get a track mostly car and a daily. Working on old cars suck, but I'll see how it goes. Track insurance FTW

 

[PointByPatrol]

I'm curious about the intercooler and oil cooler blocking airflow to the radiator.

I haven't bought or installed either yet so I don't have a good sense of how much air flow those items would block. I'd really need to actually do the install and see.

What's the concensus on the first thing to overheat: coolant or oil?

I'm headed to my first track day with this car next month. In Florida. Im going to go mostly stock aside from brake fluid so I can kind of get a "baseline" feel. I was certainly planning on the PRL and HEL coolers but now I'm not so sure.

The other thing I haven't decided is what oil to run. I've only got 1100 miles on the Type R so I was thinking of just running the factory oil, taking it easy on the car and then changing oil afterwards. Still undecided on what oil to run.

I'd appreciate any insights.

On a slightly different note, I've run about 60 or 70 track days in a wide variety of cars and have come to the conclusion that people need to be easy on their cars. If you are tracking your daily driver you must realize the number 1 priority is to drive away damage free. You must sacrifice lap times to preserve your car and your wallet. The track I used to run a lot (High Plains Raceway in Colorado) could eat brakes for breakfast. I see a lot of my buddies roast their brakes and end up in the dirt. After seeing that multiple times, I just started baking off. Lap times be dammed, but I let off the gas a bit early and let it slow down a bit before I got on the brakes. Taking care of the car is more important to me than shaving a second off my lap time. Driving the car home with no damage is a good day. Just had to say it!

It's difficult to find any consensus on what goes first (coolant or oil) because the oil temperature gauge is an algorithmic guess, and is not based off of an actually reading from a sensor. I trust that my oil did not overheat because I was using an oil cooler. I ran this event on the factory oil (I had 2500 miles on the car). After the event I changed my oil to Motul 300v 0w-20. For temps over 75 degrees I'll likely run 300v 5w-30. The oil that came out of the car was clean, and did not smell burnt.

This is what I learned:

Absolutely remove the rain guard beneath the hood vent.
Absolutely run the heat, even if it is cool outside. (this was not something that I needed to do on my FK8 unless it was above 75 degrees outside.)

The overheating occurred on the 2nd session of my first day. The temperatures were more in compliance after making the adjustments that I listed above.

 

[BigBird]

It's difficult to find any consensus on what goes first (coolant or oil) because the oil temperature gauge is an algorithmic guess, and is not based off of an actually reading from a sensor. I trust that my oil did not overheat because I was using an oil cooler. I ran this event on the factory oil (I had 2500 miles on the car). After the event I changed my oil to Motul 300v 0w-20. For temps over 75 degrees I'll likely run 300v 5w-30. The oil that came out of the car was clean, and did not smell burnt.

This is what I learned:

Absolutely remove the rain guard beneath the hood vent.
Absolutely run the heat, even if it is cool outside. (this was not something that I needed to do on my FK8 unless it was above 75 degrees outside.)

The overheating occurred on the 2nd session of my first day. The temperatures were more in compliance after making the adjustments that I listed above.

what did the car do when it was overheating?

 

[Jester04]

I'm curious about the intercooler and oil cooler blocking airflow to the radiator.

I haven't bought or installed either yet so I don't have a good sense of how much air flow those items would block. I'd really need to actually do the install and see.

What's the concensus on the first thing to overheat: coolant or oil?

I'm headed to my first track day with this car next month. In Florida. Im going to go mostly stock aside from brake fluid so I can kind of get a "baseline" feel. I was certainly planning on the PRL and HEL coolers but now I'm not so sure.

The other thing I haven't decided is what oil to run. I've only got 1100 miles on the Type R so I was thinking of just running the factory oil, taking it easy on the car and then changing oil afterwards. Still undecided on what oil to run.

I'd appreciate any insights.

On a slightly different note, I've run about 60 or 70 track days in a wide variety of cars and have come to the conclusion that people need to be easy on their cars. If you are tracking your daily driver you must realize the number 1 priority is to drive away damage free. You must sacrifice lap times to preserve your car and your wallet. The track I used to run a lot (High Plains Raceway in Colorado) could eat brakes for breakfast. I see a lot of my buddies roast their brakes and end up in the dirt. After seeing that multiple times, I just started baking off. Lap times be dammed, but I let off the gas a bit early and let it slow down a bit before I got on the brakes. Taking care of the car is more important to me than shaving a second off my lap time. Driving the car home with no damage is a good day. Just had to say it!

I tracked mine in Sebring with a PRL intercooler and no issues. Oil temps got a little high but nothing crazy.

 

[PointByPatrol]

what did the car do when it was overheating?

It ran like a champ. Never felt any kind of power reduction. The trouble is that when you turn the traction control completely off, the warning remains on the dash. If this warning is replaced by a similar looking warning then it can be difficult to notice. I couldn't hear any chimes go off or anything because the windows were down and I was wearing a helmet. The only thing I noticed after the fact was that about an ounce of coolant, maybe less, had been pushed out of the puke tube. Engine didn't even feel abnormally hot when I lifted the hood.

 

[BigBird]

It ran like a champ. Never felt any kind of power reduction. The trouble is that when you turn the traction control completely off, the warning remains on the dash. If this warning is replaced by a similar looking warning then it can be difficult to notice. I couldn't hear any chimes go off or anything because the windows were down and I was wearing a helmet. The only thing I noticed after the fact was that about an ounce of coolant, maybe less, had been pushed out of the puke tube. Engine didn't even feel abnormally hot when I lifted the hood.

so is that really considered over heating?

my oil temp said 289, but it didn't do anything differently

 

[PointByPatrol]

so is that really considered over heating?

my oil temp said 289, but it didn't do anything differently

My coolant said 258, so yes.

 

[BigBird]

My coolant said 258, so yes.

but if the car didn't do anything out of the ordinary, then the car thought it was within tolerance, so i'm a bit confused on why you think it's overheating, but the car doesn't?

 

[PointByPatrol]

but if the car didn't do anything out of the ordinary, then the car thought it was within tolerance, so i'm a bit confused on why you think it's overheating, but the car doesn't?

An overheat warning came up on the dash, the temp bars were all the way to the H and the coolant temps read at 258. It's occurs in the last 3-4 minutes of my video.

 

[BigBird]

An overheat warning came up on the dash, the temp bars were all the way to the H and the coolant temps read at 258. It's occurs in the last 3-4 minutes of my video.

Interesting, i do see it now.

I definitely didn't see that on my car and I was going at podium pace. I actually had my fastest time in the hottest weather...go figure.

 

[PointByPatrol]

Interesting, i do see it now.

I definitely didn't see that on my car and I was going at podium pace. I actually had my fastest time in the hottest weather...go figure.

Yea...no good for sure. Makes me nervous it's going to grenade on me.

 

[ne_typer]

If you have time, I would switch back to the stock intercooler to see how it does. Your IATs were stable the whole time at about 40 over ambient, which to me implies you’re not saturating the bigger IC.

Your note about the FK8 not needing to run the heat but the FL5 needing it has me a bit confused, given the substantial front airflow improvements with the FL5 chassis.

I doubt the oil cooler is causing a huge restriction, and I think that is a worthwhile investment. I’m far more concerned about sustained high coolant temps, particularly on a turbocharged car.

 

[PointByPatrol]

If you have time, I would switch back to the stock intercooler to see how it does. Your IATs were stable the whole time at about 40 over ambient, which to me implies you’re not saturating the bigger IC.

Your note about the FK8 not needing to run the heat but the FL5 needing it has me a bit confused, given the substantial front airflow improvements with the FL5 chassis.

I doubt the oil cooler is causing a huge restriction, and I think that is a worthwhile investment. I’m far more concerned about sustained high coolant temps, particularly on a turbocharged car.

The high coolant temps were definitely sustained...

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