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Replacing brake pad and rotor on FL5 Civic Type R - experience and tips

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I changed my front brake pad and rotors today. I don't do a lot of work on my cars, but in my job I work on equally challenging stuff with my hands so I felt it was within my ability. For whatever reason I always felt a block about working on my cars, maybe because I care less about my company losing money if I break things vs me losing money if I break my car.

Anyways, I decided it'd be fun to work on changing out the brake pad and rotors for once. I replaced the stock rotors and pads with Paragon rotors and Akebono ASP1001 pads. I want that fun aggressive slotted rotor look but with no brake dust, so basically I'm a fake racer.

I made sure to buy all the junk I needed. Nothing worse than trying to use the wrong tool for the job and getting stuck or ruining things.

The things I needed to get the job done: impact wrench, ratchet, torque wrench, 19mm socket, 22mm socket, impact driver for removing caliper screw, punch set, hammer, flat head screwdriver, pliers
Optional: Anti-seize lube, caliper compression tool, painters tape for protecting caliper from punch

Some safety tips that nobody else mentions: I prefer to wear eye protection. In my job we always wear eye protection on the floor. When I was hammering out the pins a little chip came off. That could have landed in my eye. Also, with all the hammering and wrenching, a lot of that brake dust flies up in the air. I blew my nose later that night and out came a ton of black gunk on the tissue, that can't be good. Next time I'm wearing a mask when I do this. I don't understand how people do this without gloves. I wear gloves. Your tools get dirty AF. I'm gonna have to figure out how to clean them.

My approach is below. In total I was out there for about 3 hours. It was about 1 hour of setup and cleanup, 2 hours of actual work. I'm not the fastest.

I drove the car up on ramps, then jacked up the front and put the jack stands on each side. Safety first
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Used the impact wrench to remove the lug nuts because the fucking monkeys at the shop pile drive the nuts on. I had a lot of anxiety about getting the caliper screw off, but this Craftsman impact driver made it super easy. Also the caliper screw was in surprisingly great shape, no rust at all, so I guess I was lucky it wasn't seized up. I didn't have to use WD40 or PB blaster or anything.
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Punching out the pin and bracket was a little bit of a pain, but not the worst thing in the world. Once I got the pins punched out to a certain point I used pliers to get them out. Once the first one is out the other one is also out. Getting the old brake pads out was straight up brute force. I used a flat head screwdriver to separate the pad from rotor and compress the pistons. I got a piston compression tool but it was useless because it wouldn't fit in there. So don't get this thing, get another one. I used the old pads to compress the pistons. When you compress the piston, the other side pops out, so better to have the pad on both sides while doing the compressing.
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Used a 19mm socket and impact wrench to take out the caliper bolts. I considered removing the 12mm bolts to give the hardline some more play, but I didn't need to so I left them. I ziptied the caliper to the springs and set them on a box for extra support. Removed the old rotor.
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With the rotor off I slathered some anti-seize on the hub face to make life easier next time.
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Put the new rotors on and replaced the screw, slathering anti seize on the screw thread and the rotor hat. For the first rotor I left the screw off because I figured it was useless, but it ended up being a pain trying to make sure the rotor was flush while replacing everything. So for the second rotor I put the screw on and slathered the thread with anti-seize so that next time it's easy to remove. I recommend reusing the caliper screw to make reassembly easier.
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Put the caliper back, torqued it to 103 ft-lb. Put in the new pads, put back the pins and bracket.
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Put the wheels back on, torque lug nuts to 94 ft-lb. Done.
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Great writeup, but a suggestion for next time (mostly for your own sanity) would be to use a brake/high heat grease instead of anti seize on most things you're greasing that don't explicitly require a certain type of lubricant. Not because it actually makes a difference, but just because anti seize is the devil and ruins anything it touches that isn't metal. Me and the guys I do car work with all changed from anti seize to high heat grease and have had great results despite living in the north - again, only where appropriate.
 

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My advice for the future would be to use a lot less anti seize. A little goes a long way. The more you use, the more it gets all over everything. You can end up looking like the Tin Man if you’re not careful.
Also, it’s good to have a little bit on the part of the hub that centers the wheel, that’s where corrosion can be most problematic.
 

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Great writeup, but a suggestion for next time (mostly for your own sanity) would be to use a brake/high heat grease instead of anti seize on most things you're greasing that don't explicitly require a certain type of lubricant. Not because it actually makes a difference, but just because anti seize is the devil and ruins anything it touches that isn't metal. Me and the guys I do car work with all changed from anti seize to high heat grease and have had great results despite living in the north - again, only where appropriate.
Curious which grease you use and if you're using it for the guide pins and pad ears as well? Dong my pads in the next week or so, but planned on removing the rotors so I can clean behind and put something there so they don't seize.
 

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Do not use anti-seize on your brakes.
Curious which grease you use and if you're using it for the guide pins and pad ears as well? Dong my pads in the next week or so, but planned on removing the rotors so I can clean behind and put something there so they don't seize.
I would say not to use anti-seize for any brake parts. Use brake grease. I've always used Permatex.

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Do not use anti-seize on your brakes.


I would say not to use anti-seize for any brake parts. Use brake grease. I've always used Permatex.

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Thanks, I've seen this grease recommended quite a bit. Did you use this on the back of the pads, and ears?

I've previously used a miniscule amount of anti seize on the hub only without issue on other cars. The salt brine they use on the roads in the winter pretty much guarantees the rotors rust onto the hub, and the anti seize usually helps avoid that.
 

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Thanks, I've seen this grease recommended quite a bit. Did you use this on the back of the pads, and ears?

I've previously used a miniscule amount of anti seize on the hub only without issue on other cars. The salt brine they use on the roads in the winter pretty much guarantees the rotors rust onto the hub, and the anti seize usually helps avoid that.
Yes, back of the pads, ears and on the slide pins for the rear brakes. The silicone brake grease works really well with the Wunderladen rear bushings.

I haven't had to deal with winter road salt in a long time, but yeah a little bit of anti-seize on the hubs helps.
 

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Thanks, I've seen this grease recommended quite a bit. Did you use this on the back of the pads, and ears?

I've previously used a miniscule amount of anti seize on the hub only without issue on other cars. The salt brine they use on the roads in the winter pretty much guarantees the rotors rust onto the hub, and the anti seize usually helps avoid that.
Where you should put the grease is like asking people what weight oil you should use IMO. Lube is used for contact points.. Out of the 1000s of brake jobs ive done id say that using it lightly on the surfaces you are talking about isnt a horrible idea. Keep in mind that lube will hold onto that wonderful brake dust that gets all over your rims, so dont glob it on.
 

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Where you should put the grease is like asking people what weight oil you should use IMO. Lube is used for contact points.. Out of the 1000s of brake jobs ive done id say that using it lightly on the surfaces you are talking about isnt a horrible idea. Keep in mind that lube will hold onto that wonderful brake dust that gets all over your rims, so dont glob it on.
Yeah I was scared to even ask since it almost always just opens up a huge can of worms. I'm swapping in EBC Redstuff so fingers crossed there's less dust anyway.
 

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I LOLd at the compressing the pistons. I swapped my pads this weekend and found the same thing. Took me awhile. Old pads and thumbs worked.

Also a good idea to brakleen the rotor afterwards, and think about the last time you bled/flushed the brake fluid. Monoblock calipers have two bleeders each.

On the anti seize, grease, silicone.. do not put any petroleum based grease on rubber. It will degrade the rubber and youll have bigger problems. Use silicone paste - there's not really any place for it on the fronts, but rears have a rubber bushing for slide pins. I have a 3M brush bottle of it, comes in super handy from car work to kids toys, lasts forever.

For pad ears, piston faces, and hub surfaces, I have a brush bottle of nickel anti seize good for 2400F. I also use this on a lot of things, and lasts forever, just have to stir it and be careful it doesn't get on anything nice. CRC also makes black brake grease that is somehow not petroleum based, but I haven't used it.

When you get to the rear calipers, you'll need a brake caliper tool, and H7 key and socket, but the wonderful engineers put the brake line in front of the top slide pin. Maybe there's a magic Lisle tool that works, but otherwise I had to use an L key for the top. I torqued the bottom with the socket (18 lb-ft) just to calibrate my hands for the top.

When the car is back on the ground, double check your lug nut torque, brake fluid reservoir cap is on, and go bed the pads.
 


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Great writeup, but a suggestion for next time (mostly for your own sanity) would be to use a brake/high heat grease instead of anti seize on most things you're greasing that don't explicitly require a certain type of lubricant. Not because it actually makes a difference, but just because anti seize is the devil and ruins anything it touches that isn't metal. Me and the guys I do car work with all changed from anti seize to high heat grease and have had great results despite living in the north - again, only where appropriate.
In your experience brake grease can perform like anti-seize on things like bolts and other metal on metal contact points?
 

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In your experience brake grease can perform like anti-seize on things like bolts and other metal on metal contact points?
I'd argue it performs better since it's actually designed to handle the heat cycles of a cars braking system. I haven't seen any real advantage in using anti seize that any grease can't do equally as well.
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