EVS BALL JOINTS OR WHITELINE BALL JOINTS FOR CAMBER?

[ctechauto]

Cracking 2 cylinders is impressive, especially on a closed deck block! Any idea what happened?

Subaru doing subaru things

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[PointByPatrol]

Subaru doing subaru things

Totally misread "STI" as "SI", haha! No explanation needed at this point! Subaru definitely doing Subaru things! A buddy of mine had a 600hp STI that grenaded big time at the track. So badly that it melted one of the cylinder heads!

 

[mattrose4]

Cracking 2 cylinders is impressive, especially on a closed deck block! Any idea what happened?

So I havent torn it down yet, but I have a theory. It never failed on me as in like "broke" but I started to notice small amount of smoke coming out the exhaust and over time it just kept getting worse and worse so I did a compression test and it was 140 in cyl 1 & 3 and 130 -135 in cyl 2 & 4 (not toooo bad) but when I did my leak down test I have a 30% loss in 2 and a 40% loss in 4....... then I took my bore scope in and there was MASSIVE scoring in both of cylinders and 2 big cracks. When I first noticed the smoking we did a log and sent it to the tuner who is very reputable and has tuned scott speeds car and 6k+ subarus and the log looked perfect. I think this is on the the engine builder tbh. I know tons of people that had issues with the builders product and my tuner actually said he will no longer tune this builders blocks due to failure rate. (I didnt know this when I bought this block) I only had 10k miles total and only did local autocross with it for maybe 2k of those mile maybe. Autocross is short so milage is very low. I never dropped oil pressure and I have a bigger pan with a baffle that has rubber doors the open towards the pickup so oil doesnt slosh around and starve during corners and I had a slightly bigger oil pump as well. I really believe the machine work was bad or the pistons to wall clearance was too tight. The car never ran lean, always hit target boost, and had every supporting mod you could do... Wont really know till I take it apart

 

[mattrose4]

Subaru doing subaru things

I think this failure in on the builder this time, but wont 100% know till I teardown

 

[ctechauto]

So I havent torn it down yet, but I have a theory. It never failed on me as in like "broke" but I started to notice small amount of smoke coming out the exhaust and over time it just kept getting worse and worse so I did a compression test and it was 140 in cyl 1 & 3 and 130 -135 in cyl 2 & 4 (not toooo bad) but when I did my leak down test I have a 30% loss in 2 and a 40% loss in 4....... then I took my bore scope in and there was MASSIVE scoring in both of cylinders and 2 big cracks. When I first noticed the smoking we did a log and sent it to the tuner who is very reputable and has tuned scott speeds car and 6k+ subarus and the log looked perfect. I think this is on the the engine builder tbh. I know tons of people that had issues with the builders product and my tuner actually said he will no longer tune this builders blocks due to failure rate. (I didnt know this when I bought this block) I only had 10k miles total and only did local autocross with it for maybe 2k of those mile maybe. Autocross is short so milage is very low. I never dropped oil pressure and I have a bigger pan with a baffle that has rubber doors the open towards the pickup so oil doesnt slosh around and starve during corners and I had a slightly bigger oil pump as well. I really believe the machine work was bad or the pistons to wall clearance was too tight. The car never ran lean, always hit target boost, and had every supporting mod you could do... Wont really know till I take it apart

IAG block and JRTuned?

 

[mattrose4]

Totally misread "STI" as "SI", haha! No explanation needed at this point! Subaru definitely doing Subaru things! A buddy of mine had a 600hp STI that grenaded big time at the track. So badly that it melted one of the cylinder heads!

HOLY MOLY

 

[PointByPatrol]

I think this failure in on the builder this time, but wont 100% know till I teardown

Who was the builder? I'm curious if it's the same builder that did my friends STI.

My buddy used IAG iirc...

 

[mattrose4]

IAG block and JRTuned?

Teeter Automotive closed deck block and tuned by graham at boosted performance. There is a stigma with Teter so I shouldve went with someone more reputable but Graham has tuned over 6k+ subarus and have been tuning my car for years as well as scott speeds sti and he won gridlife in street mod and tunes deweys gc8 who has been dominating street mod for years. I also have logs during and they are clean so I really believe it was the builder, but again I wont know for certain till teardown and its too damn cold right now for that lol

 

[MooMoo]

They're the same. No real reason to not buy the cheaper one.

IIRC I believe Hardrace may make their own too, but also more expensive than the EVS for functionally the exact same outcome.

as ctechauto mentioned they are not the same, some have pins some have plates.

I personally prefer the little plates as some people have had issues with the whitelines on the fk8 forum.

From my research I do think hardrace makes a lot of these, I think EVS is hardrace, and I am 99.5% sure megan ones are also hardrace and so are Js racing.

If you want to save some money get the megans, thats what I did. Have not installed yet but they look identical to the hardraces which look identical to the EVS minus the anodized.

 

[mattrose4]

as ctechauto mentioned they are not the same, some have pins some have plates.

I personally prefer the little plates as some people have had issues with the whitelines on the fk8 forum.

From my research I do think hardrace makes a lot of these, I think EVS is hardrace, and I am 99.5% sure megan ones are also hardrace and so are Js racing.

If you want to save some money get the megans, thats what I did. Have not installed yet but they look identical to the hardraces which look identical to the EVS minus the anodized.

Thanks for the feedback! I just put an order in for the EVS ones. They are a little cheaper and will give me what I'm looking for. I also feel a little bit more comfortable with the design on the EVS over the little tabs on the whiteline

 

[MooMoo]

Thanks for the feedback! I just put an order in for the EVS ones. They are a little cheaper and will give me what I'm looking for. I also feel a little bit more comfortable with the design on the EVS over the little tabs on the whiteline

yeah its a much better design imo. The evs will be great.

reminds me I have to install mine have had em sitting around for a year

 

[TypeRVA]

as ctechauto mentioned they are not the same, some have pins some have plates.

I personally prefer the little plates as some people have had issues with the whitelines on the fk8 forum.

From my research I do think hardrace makes a lot of these, I think EVS is hardrace, and I am 99.5% sure megan ones are also hardrace and so are Js racing.

If you want to save some money get the megans, thats what I did. Have not installed yet but they look identical to the hardraces which look identical to the EVS minus the anodized.

Not red = worse. Everyone knows that.

 

[Cueyo]

Not red = worse. Everyone knows that.

I didn't know the evs ones were red until that picture, and I agree

 

[PointByPatrol]

Not red = worse. Everyone knows that.

This should be tribal knowledge at this point

 

[mattrose4]

Not red = worse. Everyone knows that.

Red = Fast of course

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