Canadian dealer asked what colour Type R I want

[MuckyBarnes]

Nice! How much did you pay for it?

Close to what you said in your last post

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[N4nn3r]

I bought the white one from Pfaff on Friday. Got tired of waiting.

Sickkk I’m glad you got a type r again bro

 

[Pancake]

Close to what you said in your last post

That's a hefty sum but congrats again! Love the colour!

 

[MuckyBarnes]

That's a hefty sum but congrats again! Love the colour!

Thanks! Yeah, obviously not an ideal price or situation. But I've been waiting almost 2 years at a couple different dealers and I didn't want to burn another summer in a boring car.

I also very seriously considered a couple other options - Drove a F80 M3 and a F87 M2C which were both about the same price I paid for the FL5 and at the end of the day I still liked the FL5 more. Considered the Integra Type S as well, but after mandatory accessories and all that, it was close enough to the FL5 that I said screw it.

I should also add that I felt more comfortable paying that price at a place like Pfaff, because I know they paid above MSRP to get it. It's not quite the same mental gymnastics for me as doing business with a Honda dealer who's just screwing you because they can.

 

[MuckyBarnes]

Here's a pic from delivery day. Fun place to hang out and browse some extremely impressive toys.

 

[typeR4life]

Wow. That is some purchase. Though I know exactly how you feel. Didn't want to waste another summer so picked up an ITS when the chance presented itself.

other than the drive modes that are 20% softer than CTR, idk, u r not missing out on much.

I'm still interested in learning about other differences from people that has driven both. First hand experience would be nicer. Everyone talks about smoother power delivery on ITS, but I'd be happy to take a more raw throttle input or less turbo lag if that's what the difference actually equates to. Also still don't know exact difference of engines. K20c1 vs k20c8. Can't be just the tune.

End of the day, both sre super fun and have their own advantages. It's good that they are different in these ways.

If you don’t mind me asking, which dealer began ghosting you?

Oakville Honda. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt but it's not the first time trying to get this one CTR.

 

[KidIcarus]

It could absolutely just be a tune, but given that they have different engine codes there's likely more to it. It seems like the CTR dev team tried to adhere more closely to the CTR ethos and make the FL5 feel as close to an NA VTEC as possible with the power developing linearly and into the upper rev range.
The ITS lower rev power output characteristics seem to more closely resemble the FK8.
Has anyone confirmed what turbo unit is in the ITS?

I wonder if the Acura team tried to balance cost out by using the FK8's turbo unit in the ITS instead of the new turbo in the FL5, considering North American's penchant for straight line speed and that everyone complained that the FK8 was faster from a dig, this might make sense.

The new engine has the intake resonator so if it were a hybrid between the new engine, using the old turbo they would still need to designate a new engine code for it.

All speculation though as I haven't driven either, hell I haven't even driven an FK8 and refuse to so that I'll never know what i'm missing, if I don't get an FL5.

 

[sam3r_11]

I got ghosted by my dealer. Radio silent. I'm pretty sure they found people that agreed to higher than 10k markup and trading in an older Type R.

So far 360km in on the ITS since Monday. Really enjoying it. I don't think I have any regrets, but I certainly have no idea what I'm missing without driving a CTR. Sitting in one is not nearly enough to know.

why not pay a visit to the dealer if it's close enough and offer the ITS to trade and workout a deal

 

[typeR4life]

It could absolutely just be a tune, but given that they have different engine codes there's likely more to it. It seems like the CTR dev team tried to adhere more closely to the CTR ethos and make the FL5 feel as close to an NA VTEC as possible with the power developing linearly and into the upper rev range.
The ITS lower rev power output characteristics seem to more closely resemble the FK8.
Has anyone confirmed what turbo unit is in the ITS?

I wonder if the Acura team tried to balance cost out by using the FK8's turbo unit in the ITS instead of the new turbo in the FL5, considering North American's penchant for straight line speed and that everyone complained that the FK8 was faster from a dig, this might make sense.

The new engine has the intake resonator so if it were a hybrid between the new engine, using the old turbo they would still need to designate a new engine code for it.

All speculation though as I haven't driven either, hell I haven't even driven an FK8 and refuse to so that I'll never know what i'm missing, if I don't get an FL5.

That's an interesting thought. So far the one data point I've seen is noticeably lower boost pressure on the ITS but makes more power according to SG. We're talking a bit more than 5hp from spec sheet.

why not pay a visit to the dealer if it's close enough and offer the ITS to trade and workout a deal

Well...took delivery after I got back to work post pat leave. There's very little time to go to the dealer and sit around. I'm also certain the deal will end up with me paying more somehow. I'm pretty happy with the ITS (maybe not the part that it's 5" longer...parking in the garage is very tight). Just would be nice if I can drive an FL5 to compare.

Anyone in the west end of GTA with an FL5 open to letting me try out their car? In return, you can try out the ITS.

 

[KidIcarus]

My bad, Jack actually mentions in the SG video that the engines are identical and that the engine codes only denote which vehicle they're going into, I must've missed that.

Congrats on the kiddo!

 

[Clark_Kent]

It could absolutely just be a tune, but given that they have different engine codes there's likely more to it. It seems like the CTR dev team tried to adhere more closely to the CTR ethos and make the FL5 feel as close to an NA VTEC as possible with the power developing linearly and into the upper rev range.
The ITS lower rev power output characteristics seem to more closely resemble the FK8.
Has anyone confirmed what turbo unit is in the ITS?

I wonder if the Acura team tried to balance cost out by using the FK8's turbo unit in the ITS instead of the new turbo in the FL5, considering North American's penchant for straight line speed and that everyone complained that the FK8 was faster from a dig, this might make sense.

The new engine has the intake resonator so if it were a hybrid between the new engine, using the old turbo they would still need to designate a new engine code for it.

All speculation though as I haven't driven either, hell I haven't even driven an FK8 and refuse to so that I'll never know what i'm missing, if I don't get an FL5.

All 38 components of the turbocharger and supporting hardware are identical with the exception of turbo joint pipe resonator which is the black oblong shaped part stamped Type S/Type R. The usual power adding suspects are identical: camshafts, cylinder head, pistons, connecting rods, fuel system, camshafts. I'm inclined to believe the power difference is largely from tuning and NOT hardware. I realize the exhaust is also different but I believe that to be immaterial from a performance standpoint. The ECU calibration on the ITS is likely running more ignition timing than the CTR which is why it appears to make more power on less boost. I'm certain we'll learn more as time goes on.

 

[KidIcarus]

All 38 components of the turbocharger and supporting hardware are identical with the exception of turbo joint pipe resonator which is the black oblong shaped part stamped Type S/Type R. The usual power adding suspects are identical: camshafts, cylinder head, pistons, connecting rods, fuel system, camshafts. I'm inclined to believe the power difference is largely from tuning and NOT hardware. I realize the exhaust is also different but I believe that to be immaterial from a performance standpoint. The ECU calibration on the ITS is likely running more ignition timing than the CTR which is why it appears to make more power on less boost. I'm certain we'll learn more as time goes on.

Thats what I suspected as well, the difference in engine code lead me to speculate, but I also missed Jack alluding to engine code designations in the SG vid. Genuinely appreciate your confirmation/clarification.
Your secret's safe with me Superman lol.

 

[sam3r_11]

That's an interesting thought. So far the one data point I've seen is noticeably lower boost pressure on the ITS but makes more power according to SG. We're talking a bit more than 5hp from spec sheet.



Well...took delivery after I got back to work post pat leave. There's very little time to go to the dealer and sit around. I'm also certain the deal will end up with me paying more somehow. I'm pretty happy with the ITS (maybe not the part that it's 5" longer...parking in the garage is very tight). Just would be nice if I can drive an FL5 to compare.

Anyone in the west end of GTA with an FL5 open to letting me try out their car? In return, you can try out the ITS.

i hear you, congrats btw.. how is the baby seat in the back of the ITS if you put one ..i am sure the are few FL5 owners i have seen two on the road but only a handful of owners are active in the groups

 

[typeR4life]

I have one car seat in one side. The other side I switch between the UPPAbaby baby seat and a full car seat depending on if I'm picking up my eldest and her friend. It's pretty easy to deal with. The only thing that's a bit weird is the back headrest not being adjustable so I have to put the rear strap over the headrest.

I don't know how it is in Civics, but there's a flap that covers the gap between seat back and bottom cushion, covering the child seat latch. I thought it was kind of nice, but I haven't had a Honda/Acura newer the. 2007 till now. Maybe it's the norm.

Rear seats are not as tilted back as our Tucson. Which means I didn't need to add towels to level the base. They just went in and it was pretty easy.

 

[Negitoro7]

Thanks! Yeah, obviously not an ideal price or situation. But I've been waiting almost 2 years at a couple different dealers and I didn't want to burn another summer in a boring car.

Considered the Integra Type S as well, but after mandatory accessories and all that, it was close enough to the FL5 that I said screw it.

Got my deposit back from a local dealer that wanted a mandatory trade-in, and mandatory accessories and protection packages for the ITS - shouldn’t have been surprised considering their reputation as a Porsche dealer too (next door).

Congrats on the FL5 buy! I’ll be waiting for word about my MY2025 spot, or eventually give up and get the ITS.

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