FL5 vs Elantra N DCT

[superporpoise]

It’s an interesting video. The FL5 is faster — more HP, less weight (vs. DCT), wider tires. It’s just going to be faster.

Two things I think they missed:
- Stock EN cooling is better
- Daily driving comparison

Having owned both, I thought the EN was a more enjoyable daily. The exhaust adds a lot of emotion, the suspension is more comfortable, and the LSD + skinnier tires make for oversteer fun at lower speeds.

But the Type R looks much better inside and out (although the interior materials are not really any better). I’d much rather look at and sit in the Type R.

I know this is a Type R forum and it’s an awesome car, but if I bought another FWD car as a fun daily I’d go EN. But I can see a good argument for either car.

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[optronix]

I will have to wait to watch but not surprised if the FL5 takes the cake seeing that Mark has one.
Also lets be honest for 10k more it better be better.

Not necessarily. You're getting a lot for that extra 10k that may not leap out of the screen when comparing the obvious metrics on paper. Design, engineering, quality, reliability, attention to detail, etc. don't show up in 0-60 times. Steering and shifter feel alone are worth the extra 10k. To those who care about stuff like that.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the DCT is faster, including around a road course. Hyundai built a hell of a performance bargain! If I could get over the looks I would’ve gotten one.

DCT should always be faster, but that's like-for-like. I'm pretty confident the DCT N is faster than a manual N by the same driver in the same conditions. But that doesn't necessarily mean it would be faster than a Type R.

None of this matters though. I'm glad the N exists. I actually like the way it looks. But I still can't see myself buying one. The answer is an obvious one- it's a Hyundai. I just wouldn't buy a Hyundai over a Honda, even at a reduced price point. It really is that simple. As shitty as that sounds.

Brand perception is important. Hyundai has come a LONG way. But they're not on Honda's level yet, sorry.

 

[MooMoo]

Not necessarily. You're getting a lot for that extra 10k that may not leap out of the screen when comparing the obvious metrics on paper. Design, engineering, quality, reliability, attention to detail, etc. don't show up in 0-60 times. Steering and shifter feel alone are worth the extra 10k.



DCT should always be faster, but that's like-for-like. I'm pretty confident the DCT N is faster than a manual N by the same driver in the same conditions. But that doesn't necessarily mean it would be faster than a Type R.

None of this matters though. I'm glad the N exists. I actually like the way it looks. But I still can't see myself buying one. The answer is an obvious one- it's a Hyundai. I just wouldn't buy a Hyundai over a Honda, even at a reduced price point. It's that simple.

nobody said you weren't but you are proving my point, for extra 10 you getter get it.

Add the seats to the "its worth the extra 10k"

 

[BigBird]

It’s an interesting video. The FL5 is faster — more HP, less weight (vs. DCT), wider tires. It’s just going to be faster.

Two things I think they missed:
- Stock EN cooling is better
- Daily driving comparison

Having owned both, I thought the EN was a more enjoyable daily. The exhaust adds a lot of emotion, the suspension is more comfortable, and the LSD + skinnier tires make for oversteer fun at lower speeds.

But the Type R looks much better inside and out (although the interior materials are not really any better). I’d much rather look at and sit in the Type R.

I know this is a Type R forum and it’s an awesome car, but if I bought another FWD car as a fun daily I’d go EN. But I can see a good argument for either car.

I had both as well, and before I traded in my DE5 for a FL5, I test drove a EN again, and came away with I wouldn't buy another Elantra. It just doesn't do "it" for me after being in a FL5 and DE5. The EN was nice, and when tuned a great car on track, but I'll pass.

This Civic chassis, and the overall cohesive package is worth the $10k or more difference. If I had to go back to an automatic, I would go VW GTI or Golf R or RS3.

 

[optronix]

nobody said you weren't but you are proving my point, for extra 10 you getter get it.

Add the seats to the "its worth the extra 10k"

I read your point as "it better be faster".

And yeah, add the seats to the mix for sure.

 

[GWonder]

Both great cars, buddy of mine was so impressed by the type r he bought a n (as a track only car). 10k and dct was a major factor.

 

[Zpeedster M]

Video out for us non-paying Patrion members lol

 

[spectre186]

Video out for us non-paying Patrion members lol

Time to watch the Type R get spanked. lol, hopefully not!

 

[MooMoo]

posting it here for good measure

 

[spectre186]

Another fantastic video. I never realized that the FL5 makes 300 ish to the wheels.

 

[fordsucks]

It’s an interesting video. The FL5 is faster — more HP, less weight (vs. DCT), wider tires. It’s just going to be faster.

Two things I think they missed:
- Stock EN cooling is better
- Daily driving comparison

Having owned both, I thought the EN was a more enjoyable daily. The exhaust adds a lot of emotion, the suspension is more comfortable, and the LSD + skinnier tires make for oversteer fun at lower speeds.

But the Type R looks much better inside and out (although the interior materials are not really any better). I’d much rather look at and sit in the Type R.

I know this is a Type R forum and it’s an awesome car, but if I bought another FWD car as a fun daily I’d go EN. But I can see a good argument for either car.

Funny enough I much prefer the type r for around town and commuting largely due to how much I adore the powerband and gearing. I think I'd prefer the N as a dedicated beat on it for fun car

I've also come to really appreciate fwd driving characteristics in general so I don't know what it'd take for me to not enjoy any sporty fwd haha

 

[Websitesdown]

He compared the FL5 to a GT3 and, it wins, again..

 

[optronix]

Both great cars, buddy of mine was so impressed by the type r he bought a n (as a track only car). 10k and dct was a major factor.

An Elantra N as a "track only" car? To each their own but I have to imagine that for ~$40k you could do a lot better for that use case, right? Assuming it didn't have to be new-off-the-lot... as a warranty for a dedicated track car can only take you so far, right?

An OG M2, SS 1LE or 987 comes to mind. Or any Miata. Just scratching the surface here... but I always viewed these sports sedans' greatest attributes was the duality. Buying one that won't be taking advantage of the practicality elements just... ok, nvm. It's a capable track car with a warranty so, it makes sense to someone, obviously. Not my money... but I'd like to hear the rationale behind it for sheer curiosity's sake.

 

[Pekingduck]

Another fantastic video. I never realized that the FL5 makes 300 ish to the wheels.

I dynoed mine as well and it makes 300whp. The price is the only reason to get the Hyundai.

 

[Websitesdown]

I dynoed mine as well and it makes 300whp. The price is the only reason to get the Hyundai.

Mind posting your dyno sheet? What state do you live in? I've watched videos on youtube where they got about 285Whp stock.

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