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Senior Member
I never inquired about your life story or your experience with M cars. I don’t care. You hate them, I get it. You’re not impressing anyone here with your history lesson on issues like rod bearings, etc. (you forgot to mention vanos, which was bigger than all of them). But guess what? - I don’t give a shit lol. Not everybody buys a car with reliability in mind.I find it interesting that you would try to compare all the virtues of a 2023 M2 that is clearly in a different price class, appeals to a somewhat different set of automotive enthusiasts and has an MSRP of ~$20,000 more than the 2023 CTR.
After having experienced the infamous rod bearing issues that plagued BMW for years and could never seem to get rid of on the E46 and E90, throttle actuator issues, transmissions issues, electronic issues and paint issues it was time for me to move on and give up on the BMW brand.
Hung out with a number of other BMW enthusiasts during those times and after a couple of years and also experiencing subsequent realiability issues they all moved on as well.
One of the other concerning issues with the M cars was that they depreciate quickly which is obviously a concern for all of us enthusiasts but is certainly not the case with the 1st generation FK8 and suggest that the new FL5 will also do very well in that area also.
Some 5 years ago I purchased a 2018 Rallye Red CTR and drove that example for a year before being transferred out West and decided to sell it back to the original Honda dealership before moving out West and got back pretty much what I originally paid for that vehicle which is certainly not anything that an M model could attain or hardly any other automotive brand for that matter.
Having previously owned a few M cars and also a 1st generation CTR, it was an easy decision to choose a 2nd generation CTR over many other brand of vehicles including an M car based on reliability, resale value and dealer price point.
We all understand your big concern with respect to ADM's for the CTR therefore suggest that you either suck it up and go make your best deal on a 2023 CTR or move on to a 2023 M2 that you can purchase for well less than MSRP.
Seems to be a pretty easy decision from my standpoint and wish you good luck going forward.
BTW, this thread was never about M2 or M3. You’re making it about them for no apparent reason. It was more about people’s dissatisfaction with pricing and potentially moving onto other platforms, which are similarly priced.
Maybe the M2 is $20k more to you (assuming you’re one of a handful of folks in the country who bought a CTR at MSRP), but to many it is (realistically) the same (or less) than CTR with ADM.
M2 “appeals to a somewhat different set of automotive enthusiasts” - it’s statements like these that make you sound less and less credible. You don’t get to decide what appeals to someone. Many people cross-shop cars based on price, aesthetics, etc. and definitely not purely performance. And not everybody who buys these cars is a Honda or BMW fanboy. I’ve owned M cars for over two decades and I also want a Type R. Is that illegal? - You make it sound like it’s a crime to like both.
Folks are realizing they can cross-shop this car with the likes of RS3 and so on… That’s the whole point of this thread and several others like it circulating this forum. If everybody found an FL5 at $5k ADM or less with great ease as you are implying, then discussions such as this one wouldn’t exist.
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