They actually don’t offer their own 10g automatic transmission on the diesel civic in Europe. They use the ZF 9g transmission.Honda definitely sees the future in the CVT (and I fully agree). Unfortunately, currently they don't have a CVT appropriate for cars with a sufficient torque handling capacity. So in some european countries they offer only MT or CVT for the 1.0T and 1.5T gas engines and only MT or 10AT for the 1.6L diesel. They don't offer gas engine civicxs with the 10AT although of course they could.
The diesel has significantly less max power than the 1.5T, but also significantly more max torque, which apparently exceeds the safe limit for the CVT.
So, if someone somehow managed to bolt on various pipes to her CVT-equipped car, fueled it with rocket fuel and tuned its 1.5T to make nearly 220 ftlb torque, she should be concerned.
I get that, in theory it should be quicker. But the fact that no manufacturer has come up with a feasible performance application for the consumer market probably means it will cost more than what they hoped to save by pursuing this technology. Or it simply has no place in a part of the market where consumers would expect more driver involvement or predictable power delivery.Far from cherry picking, it is down to basic design. having a million different gear ratio is something you can never be done in a fix gear transmission.
or you can keep adding extra gear like what they are doing right now. Or we can get the job done better with 2 drums and a belt My guess is they will need a new belt every race but it is fine on F1 budget.
Here...general perception vs engineering.I get that, in theory it should be quicker. But the fact that no manufacturer has come up with a feasible performance application for the consumer market probably means it will cost more than what they hoped to save by pursuing this technology. Or it simply has no place in a part of the market where consumers would expect more driver involvement or predictable power delivery.
All I know is that the first time I took my former Accord Sport to a proper mountain road, the chassis was let down by that CVT. Suddenly the car I truly enjoyed reminded me that I should have hunted for the 6-speed version. The rest is history. No CVTs for me again, no matter how far they've come.
You can drive a manual half-asleep trust meNot as huge a fan of the cvt, but not sure I wanna go full manual as I drive to work at like 5:30 in the morning and usually half-sleep there. Totally want a gearbox; but the 10th gen civics I've 100% fallen in love with in terms of aesthetics. Can't switch to another vehicle, too bubbly in all others' designs.
Thoughts on whether or not they'll give us a 6/8/10 speed auto?
I don't follow. Once again we're still just going over the theory of the engineering behind CVTs. Jason basically illustrates how they're not currently designed for higher output engines. Nowhere in the video are we going over a transmission that can ACTUALLY do what he's describing, only what they could technically do. So I'm still not sure how it would take me years to match a current CVT (if anything, driving with a CVT held me back as a driver for two years)...when the best one I've had access to still rubber-banded and was not able to utilize all the torque available from a dead stop. What's the point of not needing to 'shift' when most newer CVTs are simulating gears and can't handle over 250 pounds of torque?Here...general perception vs engineering.
It is down to the basic engineering design of the 2 transmission, not theory. It is ok you like more involvement but it will take years for you match what a CVT can do. I do think a Performance CVT is far more expensive and need way more maintenance than a DCT.
The person who is asleep driving wants a 10 speed auto. Not a manual because he’s a sleep. But a 10 speed auto does matter over a CVT while asleep?Not as huge a fan of the cvt, but not sure I wanna go full manual as I drive to work at like 5:30 in the morning and usually half-sleep there. Totally want a gearbox; but the 10th gen civics I've 100% fallen in love with in terms of aesthetics. Can't switch to another vehicle, too bubbly in all others' designs.
Thoughts on whether or not they'll give us a 6/8/10 speed auto?
THe sleeping part was a hyperbole, the amount of people who don't seem to understand that is disappointing. Automatic feels better than a CVT and that's more than enough reason to want oneThe person who is asleep driving wants a 10 speed auto. Not a manual because he’s a sleep. But a 10 speed auto does matter over a CVT while asleep?
If you only drove a rubber band CVT and you think most CVTs simulate gears, then you may be prejudiced. I only care that my current car has a CVT which has no rubber band feel and it doesn't simulate any fixed gears unless you ask for it......the best one I've had access to still rubber-banded and was not able to utilize all the torque available from a dead stop. What's the point of not needing to 'shift' when most newer CVTs are simulating gears and can't handle over 250 pounds of torque?
Your reference to 5 AM made it sound real. Outside of the sleeping reference, yes, a 10AT is favorable over a CVT.THe sleeping part was a hyperbole, the amount of people who don't seem to understand that is disappointing. Automatic feels better than a CVT and that's more than enough reason to want one
I don't follow. Once again we're still just going over the theory of the engineering behind CVTs. Jason basically illustrates how they're not currently designed for higher output engines. Nowhere in the video are we going over a transmission that can ACTUALLY do what he's describing, only what they could technically do. So I'm still not sure how it would take me years to match a current CVT (if anything, driving with a CVT held me back as a driver for two years)...when the best one I've had access to still rubber-banded and was not able to utilize all the torque available from a dead stop. What's the point of not needing to 'shift' when most newer CVTs are simulating gears and can't handle over 250 pounds of torque?
Until we see an application in a production sports/performance oriented vehicle we're basically going in circles...fun fact he may appreciate CVTs for their potential but when he picked up a Crosstrek he still got the manual.
Gains are pathetic when factoring how much better the manuals can put down the power.
CVT is doing exactly what he is describing, thats why it is more fuel efficient. By getting to most optimized gear ratio better than 5 fixed gear. it is a very simple concept.