Clutch helper spring delete

[ChrisLe5512]

This is for the FL5 owners, which is why I posted in the FL5 sub-forum. Don't try this if you have an Si unless you want to be a guinea pig like me. Your clutch is different.

Thank you for sharing your data-backed experience in such detail. I read up on this a lot last night and watched your related video, and I think I’ll be the guinea pig with my Integra A-Spec 6MT this weekend, seeing as no one seems to have tried it on their Si or at least posted about it anywhere. I’ll report back for my Si/A-Spec folks and we’ll know once and for all. Worst case I take out the clutch pedal assembly and put it back in… I love tinkering with my car anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[zumbooruk]

I took the helper spring out, knowing that I am taking a risk that I will not be able to easily put it back.

I really like the clutch feel without it.

Coming from FA5, I always felt that the clutch on the FL5 was too mushy and lacking feeling.

I can definitely notice a bit more effort, still seem softer/easier than the FA5, and feels more "natural"

 

[ChrisLe5512]

This is for the FL5 owners, which is why I posted in the FL5 sub-forum. Don't try this if you have an Si unless you want to be a guinea pig like me. Your clutch is different.

Thank you for sharing your data-backed experience in such detail. I read up on this a lot last night and watched your related video, and I think I’ll be the guinea pig with my Integra A-Spec 6MT this weekend, seeing as no one seems to have tried it on their Si or at least posted about it anywhere. I’ll report back for my Si/A-Spec folks and we’ll know once and for all. Worst case I take out the clutch pedal assembly and put it back in… I love tinkering with my car anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Can confirm this works for our cars as well! Just pulled the helper spring in my Integra A-Spec last night, the two sides were pretty simple but I fought with the center notch for a solid half hour… really gotta push in the right direction else you’ll just rotate the spring, plus it was a struggle working down there and keeping the area lit without knocking down the light source. Anyway, very much worth it. No more feel than stock, gonna have to delete the clutch delay valve for that (soon!), but pedal pressure is indeed much more linear and feels great. No more artificial engagement halfway through pedal travel, and can confirm the pedal comes all the way back up without issue. Thanks again to OP for sharing! Very worthy free mod for all K20 and L15 6MT’s

 

[cryptolime]

I'm asking you to argue a conditional hypothetical in support of your subjective opinion that clutch pedals feel better when they're less linear. I didn't insinuate that you ever said that a heavier helper spring would be better, what I'm saying is that if less linear clutch pedals feel subjectively better to you than more linear ones, then it follows that a heavier helper spring than stock would make the clutch pedal feel subjectively better than stock by decreasing the linearity.... unless you have some argument to the contrary that somehow doesn't contradict your previous statements?

some people like the stock clutch pedal feel and you like it with the deleted spring. not sure why this has to be a debate. it's personal preference.

I love the way it is already. don't want to f with it. considering it's hard to put back in, I don't think i will participate in this experiment. I can barely fit my head under there anyway.

 

[zumbooruk]

Can confirm this works for our cars as well! Just pulled the helper spring in my Integra A-Spec last night, the two sides were pretty simple but I fought with the center notch for a solid half hour… really gotta push in the right direction else you’ll just rotate the spring, plus it was a struggle working down there and keeping the area lit without knocking down the light source. Anyway, very much worth it. No more feel than stock, gonna have to delete the clutch delay valve for that (soon!), but pedal pressure is indeed much more linear and feels great. No more artificial engagement halfway through pedal travel, and can confirm the pedal comes all the way back up without issue. Thanks again to OP for sharing! Very worthy free mod for all K20 and L15 6MT’s

Just FYI, for my FL5, after releasing the two sides, I was feeling around the center and the spring just fell out, kinda surprised me.

 

[Sporky McGeuschky]

some people like the stock clutch pedal feel and you like it with the deleted spring. not sure why this has to be a debate. it's personal preference.

I love the way it is already. don't want to f with it. considering it's hard to put back in, I don't think i will participate in this experiment. I can barely fit my head under there anyway.

Admitting you like the feel of the clutch pedal better either before or after helper spring removal:

Subjective.


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Admitting you have a huge head:

Priceless.​

 

[Spart]

some people like the stock clutch pedal feel and you like it with the deleted spring. not sure why this has to be a debate. it's personal preference.

I love the way it is already. don't want to f with it. considering it's hard to put back in, I don't think i will participate in this experiment. I can barely fit my head under there anyway.

Hey homie, this post explains how to do something.

It doesn't require you to reply to year-old posts, and for the SIXTH time in the same thread, that you personally don't want to do something.

Just don't do it and move on.

Seriously, sick of it, get the f out of my notifications.

You're on the ignore list now.

 

[Spart]

Hey do you all want to know something absolutely hilarious?

For me and my Big Ass American Feet, the throttle pedal in these cars is just too light. Particularly when you enable the modes that give you fun exhaust sounds, because they alter the throttle mapping at the same time. Just really hard to modulate at slow speeds in first gear without the car bucking a little bit, and then any time I didn't use the cruise my shin would cramp up from literally holding my foot up and off the throttle.

It's just sprung too lightly, and they use the same pedal in the base Civic all the way up to the CTR/ITS. I assume the torque available per unit distance of throttle pedal travel is a lot higher in the CTR/ITS, but they had to make the pedal for the mass market cars first and foremost.

ANYWAY, I went to the trouble and effort of purchasing a stock Civic/Integra throttle pedal assembly for R&D work. I figured out how to disassemble it. Analyzed the size of the concentric spring seats. Figured out the spring rates of the two factory springs as well as the free lengths. Did a bunch of math to figure out suitable replacements, with the goal of a 25% increase in pedal weight. Ordered a bunch of different springs. Landed on the most suitable replacement. Did before and after measurements, and I came out at a 23.9% increase.

Shot a bunch of video of the whole process.

Pedal has been in the car for 11 months now and it's awesome.

And I never posted on here about it. You know why?

The first nine replies would be from regarded individuals saying something to the effect of "why it's good like it is."

On a forum where people come to look for info about how to modify their cars.

I'll probably get banned for saying this, but THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO BE FORCIBLY STFU'D.

 

[thatonedaveguy]

Just really hard to modulate at slow speeds in first gear without the car bucking a little bit

Just practice a little more. No need to disassemble the clutch for what is essentially a skill issue. Screwing with the shifting experience on a Honda is like replacing steak with tofu.

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