Shankmeyster
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If power generation continues to be a problem across the planet then that will definitely put the EV full changeover on hold.
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You say that as if the fossil fuel industry isn't also completely political and has tons of politicians in their pockets and also spends billions on PR campaigns.^ power grids cant handle it and what happens of power grid is attacked? Most electricity is created via oil, gas or coal, lol. Even if all of the ICE vehicles in the world immediately changed to EV it would only change the global temp by an estimated .02 degrees. Believe mw there is a shit ton more of these eye openers. The premise of EVs is complete BS - its all about politics- elect the right people folks and save the ICE.
Then do it slowly, methodically and thoughtfully - not oh shit jump off a cliff the fn world is coming to an end kind of way. The kind of way that destroys economies and puts people out of work. BTW US has greatest oil/gas reserves in the world.You say that as if the fossil fuel industry isn't also completely political and has tons of politicians in their pockets and also spends billions on PR campaigns.
The whole point is that while a lot of electricity is generated using fossil fuels now, it doesn't HAVE to be generated that way. You have a long term choice to get away from the whole dino juice thing when it eventually runs out. You are also breaking away from the geopolitical mess of OPEC and achieving better energy independence.
For example, in San Diego, by default we are offered a 50% renewable/50% non-renewable mix and we're allowed to adjust what the balance is.
I'm saying all this as someone who owns only ICE cars and I'm sad and worried about their future.
So making an announcement to make EVs mandatory in a decade isn't doing it slowly, methodically and thoughtfully?Then do it slowly, methodically and thoughtfully - not oh shit jump off a cliff the fn world is coming to an end kind of way. The kind of way that destroys economies and puts people out of work. BTW US has greatest oil/gas reserves in the world.
Have you seen energy policy?So making an announcement to make EVs mandatory in a decade isn't doing it slowly, methodically and thoughtfully?
LOL.Have you seen energy policy?
We are talking about Governments here, come on man.
The problem is, currently, procuring fresh raw materials now is substantially cheaper than recycling, which is why so little recycling happens. Think about how much raw material must be exhausted before recycling cost can reach parity (there will be pressure in both directions, but still). And then think about how expensive commodities will become as a result of all this, keeping in mind that the same materials used to build EV drivetrains are basically the same used to build and maintain eletricity infrastructure.So can someone explain what 30% of materials in an EV are not recyclable? Like what kind of materials are contained in one that are chemically infeasible to reprocess? After all, they were processed in order to make the materials in the first place. Those same materials will now be in higher demand, which will create a ready market for recyclers who can profit from recovering them.
I think governments expect to see more blood from heatstroke and hypothermia before they'll actually rearrange their priorities. Consider that the largest EV market in the world (China) built it upon a basis of fraud and corruption.The order of operations should first and foremost be to build the power infrastructure and slowly transition via incentivized policy.
Batteries. The single-largest component of an EV. And the ecologiaclly-dirtiest component to manufacture out of every technology in every current vehicle design. By a long shot. Recycling them is even dirtier.So can someone explain what 30% of materials in an EV are not recyclable? Like what kind of materials are contained in one that are chemically infeasible to reprocess? After all, they were processed in order to make the materials in the first place. Those same materials will now be in higher demand, which will create a ready market for recyclers who can profit from recovering them.
I agree with you that very little recycling is profitable. Plastics, for example, are a famous failure of the market to address a need since the environmental and recycling cost is not factored into their prices. The result is, it's cheaper to make new instead of recycle.Batteries. The single-largest component of an EV. And the ecologiaclly-dirtiest component to manufacture out of every technology in every current vehicle design. By a long shot. Recycling them is even dirtier.
And you seem to be making an assumption that, when a group of materials is converted into a different material, undoing that process is done with the same ease as the initial process. It is not. Every process is not equally reversible. Some processes are not reversible at all. Batteries are a shining example of these.
And as far as recycling goes, very little recycling is actually profitable. Most recycling only occurs due to government incentivization.
I recommend reading more about how specific recycling processes work. The question of energy required isn't of "if," but is actually of "how much," and the answer is usually "very, very high." The chemistry is cool though. Have you seen NileRed's demonstrations?When you say "not reversible at all," I assume you mean in an economically feasible way and not in terms of the physics and chemistry involved in the separation. I honestly can't think of a chemical compound that can be considered "permanent" and can never be undone. I am not saying processes are easy to undo. Depending on what you're doing, obviously you might need to put energy into it, whether it's chemical energy, thermal energy, electrical if you're electrolyzing, or whatever.
No. LolSo making an announcement to make EVs mandatory in a decade isn't doing it slowly, methodically and thoughtfully?
Lol dude. The mandate is 2035. The proposal was orginally set in 2020, which means there was a 15 year prep phase. Im not even 30 years old, so that means for more than half of my life there is time to prepareNo. Lol