I'm in for a manual, hybrid CTR.

[jtlctr]

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[TypeRD]

If they could drive the rear wheels with the electric motor, that would be a huge benefit!

That’s my thought too. Rather than use the brakes for cornering, they could torque vector the rear wheels via electric motors. It’d be sort of the reverse system that’s in the NSX. That’d be pretty cool. If they can keep the manual trans I think they’d have a very interesting proposition…maybe enough to even intrigue the purists too.

 

[Superhatch]

Making it AWD would be the right thing to do if they added motors. Maybe Honda will have in-wheel tech at that point?

I've driven a few supercars that are hybrid and they way they are electrified is such a different experience than what most of us think of when we think of electrification. Using it only with a performance focus (you still get the other efficiency benefits though) makes for a different experience than when used for efficiency only.

The Prelude for example is the exact system that's in the Civic Hybrid. If they do something like that for the CTR it will be a bust for sure. But I don't expect Honda to do that for their top line vehicle.

Electrification is coming in the next CTR and I believe in what Honda will deliver.

 

[TypeRD]

Making it AWD would be the right thing to do if they added motors. Maybe Honda will have in-wheel tech at that point?

I've driven a few supercars that are hybrid and they way they are electrified is such a different experience than what most of us think of when we think of electrification. Using it only with a performance focus (you still get the other efficiency benefits though) makes for a different experience than when used for efficiency only.

The Prelude for example is the exact system that's in the Civic Hybrid. If they do something like that for the CTR it will be a bust for sure. But I don't expect Honda to do that for their top line vehicle.

Electrification is coming in the next CTR and I believe in what Honda will deliver.

Yep. I think whatever Honda does, it’ll be good. I know they slip here and there with some vehicles or the way they’re packaged (cough cough Prelude). That said, they take the Type R program very seriously and won’t put out a product that doesn’t meet their standards for what makes a Type R a Type R. This same sentiment rings true for why they say they won’t bring back the S2000 (aside from the cost to do such a thing). Am I looking forward to the hybrid Type R era? No. Do I think it can be pretty awesome nonetheless? Yes.

 

[optronix]

Let's not get too carried away here... speculation is fun and everything (especially on this forum), and I'm aware there has been some strong signals from various execs and people of significance from Honda, but can anyone point me towards a definitive statement that the next-gen Type R WILL be hybrid/electric?

It just seems that there's a trend for manufacturers to start backing away from the "all-in" approach to batteries-in-everything, and a car like the Type R doesn't make sense for Honda, a Japanese manufacturer that maybe isn't as scared stiff by European regulations, to go against the grain and be thrown on the sacrificial altar to appease the electrification gods.

All that said it does feel like we're all living in a time where decisions are being made as the wind blows, and they have downstream consequences that are measured in the span of half a decade, at least. But I'm trying to have confidence that manufacturers have their ear somewhere near the ground and realize there is still a market full of people who care about things like a driving experience... but at the same time the incredible density of soul-sucking appliances like Teslas out there continues to hold me back from being as optimistic as I'd like to be.

 

[Superhatch]

All that said it does feel like we're all living in a time where decisions are being made as the wind blows,

You're right that they haven't come out and said it directly, but they've said a lot to imply that it's likely.

I think by the time there is another CTR design beyond the FL5 we might be in the next evolution of EU regulations which is what drives a lot of the engine decisions nowadays (and for motorcycles too). Adding a hybrid system reduces emissions, and increases the MPG of any vehicle which either pushes up your fleet average, or allows specific vehicles to clear the regs.

The point of my thread is more that I'm actually excited with the idea of adding electrification to the CTR if done right, regardless of if it happens in the next gen or the one after. I feel like the "gas till I die" crowd hasn't ever driven a fast EV or supercar with hybrid tech and I just consider them trolls. Once you experience either it shifts your perspective.

The weight of full EV 'sporty' cars has kept me away from them, but once solid state batteries become the norm they shed about 30% of weight from the battery pack. Mix that with more efficient batteries, or capacitor tech in hybrid systems and I think there is a super exciting future to EV/hybrid sports cars.

Also were just at the very start of EV tech. When we look back 50 years at Honda's innovative engines they seem so basic, with obvious tech compared to what we have today. Give EV tech 10-20-50 years and it will be much much lighter, more efficient, and with even more power. The only way to get there though is to support that tech.

 

[Superhatch]

OP turn in your man card.

HAHA, I get it. Men don't like advanced technology or looking towards the future. You're only a man if you like old things, complaining about kids, or yelling at the clouds. Enjoy watching everything pass you by.

 

[Higgs Boson]

HAHA, I get it. Men don't like advanced technology or looking towards the future. You're only a man if you like old things, complaining about kids, or yelling at the clouds. Enjoy watching everything pass you by.

please have your card turned in by 5pm Monday.

 

[jtlctr]

please have your card turned in by 5pm Monday.

I never got man card! Is there a form I need to fill out at Hooters or something?

 

[Websitesdown]

I never got man card! Is there a form I need to fill out at Hooters or something?

It happens once you work for a living. Like on an oil pipeline or something along those lines. Working at Hooters or becoming a RN won't cut it .

 

[jtlctr]

Yeah, I can see where working at Hooters would be a major disqualification. However, I can imagine a male RN attracting Don Draper levels of female attention.

 

[Websitesdown]

Yeah, I can see where working at Hooters would be a major disqualification. However, I can imagine a male RN attracting Don Draper levels of female attention.

Nurses are known to be freaky! Give you that.

 

[optronix]

please have your card turned in by 5pm Monday.

I know this will come off as elitist and I don't care, but I genuinely don't find low brow stuff like this funny (and I find a lot of things funny)... but for some reason I lol'd at this one and the last one in this thread. It's just funny and I can't put my finger on it.

You're right that they haven't come out and said it directly, but they've said a lot to imply that it's likely.

I think by the time there is another CTR design beyond the FL5 we might be in the next evolution of EU regulations which is what drives a lot of the engine decisions nowadays (and for motorcycles too). Adding a hybrid system reduces emissions, and increases the MPG of any vehicle which either pushes up your fleet average, or allows specific vehicles to clear the regs.

The point of my thread is more that I'm actually excited with the idea of adding electrification to the CTR if done right, regardless of if it happens in the next gen or the one after. I feel like the "gas till I die" crowd hasn't ever driven a fast EV or supercar with hybrid tech and I just consider them trolls. Once you experience either it shifts your perspective.

The weight of full EV 'sporty' cars has kept me away from them, but once solid state batteries become the norm they shed about 30% of weight from the battery pack. Mix that with more efficient batteries, or capacitor tech in hybrid systems and I think there is a super exciting future to EV/hybrid sports cars.

Also were just at the very start of EV tech. When we look back 50 years at Honda's innovative engines they seem so basic, with obvious tech compared to what we have today. Give EV tech 10-20-50 years and it will be much much lighter, more efficient, and with even more power. The only way to get there though is to support that tech.

I was there too when I saw reviews of the Artura. And I've driven hybrids that I felt were genuinely impressive- but just from a "I need to go somewhere" perspective. Definitely not from a "wake up at 5am just to drive" perspective.

And like I mentioned- the new RS5 seems pretty promising from a driving dynamics perspective. I mean, it appears to be a genuinely better driving experience than it's all-gas predecessor, and that's coming from one of the last vestiges of automotive journalism I continue to trust, Henry Catchpole. But just watch this clip, should start at around 12:40 or so; the whole review is interesting but just from here and the next minute or so tells you all you need to know:

And that's a ~$150k car that was JUST brought to market.

I'm just not confident that Honda will get it right to where a hybrid car will be substantially better than the current generation, at a reasonably comparable price, in the next 5 years. I'd love to be proven wrong but I just don't see it happening.

And do any of us really care what's happening beyond the next 5 years? Even 5 years is a LONG way away from where even an old fuck like me is sitting. I don't care if we get flying hovercars like we were promised in the late 80s in Back to the Future, if I can't buy it in the next few years I just don't give a shit.

 

[Superhatch]

I'm just not confident that Honda will get it right to where a hybrid car will be substantially better than the current generation, at a reasonably comparable price, in the next 5 years. I'd love to be proven wrong but I just don't see it happening.

Fair points. I think it will be hard to top the FL5, but I think it's possible to make a car as good with some added benefits of a Hybrid system. I don't think it will be near the same price though. I'd guess the next CTR regardless of system will be strongly into the 50's. The 2019 CTR had a sticker of 36k. My 2025 was 48k.

I think the Germans are getting electrification wrong, and their general approach to car design (interior/chassis/drivetrain) has been progressively going off the rails for a while. They are all getting bigger and heavier, even their flagship sports cars are doing the same. The FL5 coming in at 3188lb is a lightweight compared to anything they are making. The RS5 is impressive but they just seem to want to make everything MORE without always making things better.

I'm in the market for another S2k as my next wake up at 5am and drive car as I'm not going to be able to afford another NA1 in my lifetime. But I don't really think of the current CTR as a wake up at 5am for a drive car either. We're past the days of the 2100lb hot hatch with an NA motor that revs to 8.5k.

Everyone hated when the CTR went 4 door, and it was amazing. Everyone lamented the loss of the NA CTR when we got a turbo, and every gen that's had one was great. When it comes to the type R brand Honda has only missed once, the FN2.

Maybe they will wait until that tech is already developed and then include it generations from now, but I still stand by my point that if Honda chooses to electrify the CTR it will be good.

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