ElDuder
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Wait time depends on the dealer but my local dealers all had one in stock when I test drove.And no wait time? I seriously doubt that.
And if you can, you are luckier than most in this country.
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Wait time depends on the dealer but my local dealers all had one in stock when I test drove.And no wait time? I seriously doubt that.
And if you can, you are luckier than most in this country.
ha ha!I wasnāt referring to the Type R. I was referring to an M3, RS3, et cetera with zero options.
So do you want a Type R or are you settling for Type R? Not trying to be disingenuous, just wondering because a little patience goes a long way in getting one at a fair price. Which then renders the argument for the other cars mute.If Iām buying a car I buy what I want with no compromise. Options or not if the Type R is being marketed at $71-$75k I donāt mind spending a little more money for the car I want.
I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that people are paying $73k for the CTR (that's almost $80k OTD!). There may be some examples here and there, but by and large the ADMs seem to fall within the $10k to $15k range, which puts the price more around $55k-$60k before TTL. Still a lot of money to pay, but not as bad as people are making it seem.I can promise you that the current gen G80 M3 can be had at MSRP. Itās not hard at all, unless youāre impatient and arenāt willing to wait 3-6 months for the base car or 6-12 months if you go individual.
Itās exactly $72,800, which is more or less the same money folks are paying for the CTR.
I think itās an apples to apples comparison because I would personally choose the base RWD M3 in a manual and alpine white. I couldnāt care less about - nor would I select - any other options. Itās the āenthusiastā spec if you ask me.
Agreed. Itās probably closer to $55-60k for most. And forums are not the best place to gauge ADM because people generally tend to keep this stuff private. Those who paid $70k (I reckon thereās no shortage of them) likely donāt want to admit it and those who paid $50-55k donāt want to brag about it either. Hell, Iām sure there are a handful who secured one at MSRP.I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that people are paying $73k for the CTR (that's almost $80k OTD!). There may be some examples here and there, but by and large the ADMs seem to fall within the $10k to $15k range, which puts the price more around $55k-$60k before TTL. Still a lot of money to pay, but not as bad as people are making it seem.
Fair point on the M3, though - they do appear to be available with no markup, if you are willing to wait a bit.
The performance of the CTR never ceases to amaze me. I mean it's a $45k (no ADM jokes please) FWD car, and just look at the other cars surrounding it on that list.
You can keep the M2. Iāll take the āItās still just a Civicā Type R
To be fair, youāre comparing an old 2019 M2 against a 2023 Type R with 400 lbs less weight on a TH track that favors edgy corners and lightweight cars. Itās not really made for speed.
You can keep the M2. Iāll take the āItās still just a Civicā Type R
You can keep the M2. Iāll take the āItās still just a Civicā Type R
The ss 1LE wont be seen for under $65k befor ttl easy in current market.The camaro ss 1LE is the performance bargain of that bunch, those could be had for under 40k new and beating GT500s pretty impressive on any track especially at over twice the price.
Cool cars I guess, but Iām out on the Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers.The camaro ss 1LE is the performance bargain of that bunch, those could be had for under 40k new and beating GT500s pretty impressive on any track especially at over twice the price.
The M2 also has 100 more hp, costs over $10k more and is less practical than the Type R. The comparison isn't fair, but it illustrates how much farther above its weight class the Type R punches.To be fair, youāre comparing an old 2019 M2 against a 2023 Type R with 400 lbs less weight on a TH track that favors edgy corners and lightweight cars. Itās not really made for speed.
So the result is pretty much in line with what one would expect. Take both cars to Road America and the gap will be wider, guaranteed.
Now do apples to apples: 2023 CTR vs 2023 M2 and see how it goes.
Big price gap there too, 2023 to 2023.To be fair, youāre comparing an old 2019 M2 against a 2023 Type R with 400 lbs less weight on a TH track that favors edgy corners and lightweight cars. Itās not really made for speed.
So the result is pretty much in line with what one would expect. Take both cars to Road America and the gap will be wider, guaranteed.
Now do apples to apples: 2023 CTR vs 2023 M2 and see how it goes.
Thats crazy, thats what they should be paying for a ZL1 1LE. The 1 main reason I'm leaning to buy a CTR is resale value. And why I'm only willing to pay MSRP. IF the market ever goes back to normal and rebates return on the mustangs/camaro/challengers your going to lose a lot of money.The ss 1LE wont be seen for under $65k befor ttl easy in current market.
The M2 also has 100 more hp, costs over $10k more and is less practical than the Type R. The comparison isn't fair, but it illustrates how much farther above its weight class the Type R punches.
Big price gap there too, 2023 to 2023.