*The FL5 Track Junkie Thread*

[J1Avs]

I’ve been thinking all day about why they wouldn’t allow the Type S suspension module when it’s already in the class and you’re allowed to change the strut itself. I’m not coming up with anything so it’s probably just Anti Type R.

You can even add OEM Aero if the car is in the same class -- like the STI Wing on a WRX. Makes negative sense. The main driver -- IMO -- for every rule choice in Sport is to prevent the FL5 from absolutely walking away from the EN

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[MooMoo]

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[BigBird]

You can even add OEM Aero if the car is in the same class -- like the STI Wing on a WRX. Makes negative sense. The main driver -- IMO -- for every rule choice in Sport is to prevent the FL5 from absolutely walking away from the EN

makes no sense at all: FL5 no camber ball joint, and no suspension module from basically same exact car.

The problem with the EN is not the car, it's more than capable and I think being automatic, makes it more consistent and it doesn't really suffer over heating, etc. The main problem of EN in Sport is that most of the drivers leave them stock tuned, and maybe camber bolts. And none of the fastest drivers have driven one. I had hopes for one of the WDCR drivers, but unfortunately TT is no longer in his cards.

I don't blame EN owners either for no tune and most of them want to keep warranty. After I tuned my one, I was like not sure about this Hyundai life...so a tuned CTR will definitely walk them as currently shown in the results.

 

[Rexpelagi]

I’ve been thinking all day about why they wouldn’t allow the Type S suspension module when it’s already in the class and you’re allowed to change the strut itself. I’m not coming up with anything so it’s probably just Anti Type R.

You can even add OEM Aero if the car is in the same class -- like the STI Wing on a WRX. Makes negative sense. The main driver -- IMO -- for every rule choice in Sport is to prevent the FL5 from absolutely walking away from the EN

es no sense at all: FL5 no camber ball joint, and no suspension module from basically same exact car.

The problem with the EN is not the car, it's more than capable and I think being automatic, makes it more consistent and it doesn't really suffer over heating, etc. The main problem of EN in Sport is that most of the drivers leave them stock tuned, and maybe camber bolts. And none of the fastest drivers have driven one. I had hopes for one of the WDCR drivers, but unfortunately TT is no longer in his cards.

Having run with the SCCA for 15yrs now through autocross (and later through TT), I can say they tend to be fairly cautious about intended consequences / slippery slope type situations (especially with autocross, less so with TT).

For example, I suspect they just didn't want to allow the module change specifically because some other situation may come up that creates a much bigger unintended impact and someone gets all flustered that it was allowed for the Type R/S and not their platform. Changing out a suspension module isn't really consistent with the spirt of Sport but it's a common cheap mod so by itself I think it would be ok generally on our platform specifically.

The SCCA has always allowed package conversions (ie, wings, etc), and honestly the wing isn't going to help a base WRX outperform an STI anyway. The S2000 base vs. CR is a better example where this could be beneficial (although the CR is outright banned in Sport, which is fine by me - those cars are now about 5x overpriced).

I don't know if the EN can really be competitive - they get good camber (I think the bolts get them close to -3° IIRC?), and I ran against one at TT Nats last year driven by a capable driver who is a friend of mine, and it was a ways back, although it's his baby carrier and he doesn't want to risk Hyundai's 100k mi warranty with a tune. I also don't think they can come close to fitting the wheel/tire package we can. I still very much see the Type R/Type S as the car to have.

The lower ball joint thing seems to be a common complaint but since the camber plates get -2.5° anyway I don't know that realistically it's that big of a hit to not have the ball joints, and that's more of a philosophical shift that would need to happen as it's not allowed on any car for Sport - it's not a Type R specific attack.

 

[BigBird]

Having run with the SCCA for 15yrs now through autocross (and later through TT), I can say they tend to be fairly cautious about intended consequences / slippery slope type situations (especially with autocross, less so with TT).

For example, I suspect they just didn't want to allow the module change specifically because some other situation may come up that creates a much bigger unintended impact and someone gets all flustered that it was allowed for the Type R/S and not their platform. Changing out a suspension module isn't really consistent with the spirt of Sport but it's a common cheap mod so by itself I think it would be ok generally on our platform specifically.

The SCCA has always allowed package conversions (ie, wings, etc), and honestly the wing isn't going to help a base WRX outperform an STI anyway. The S2000 base vs. CR is a better example where this could be beneficial (although the CR is outright banned in Sport, which is fine by me - those cars are now about 5x overpriced).

I don't know if the EN can really be competitive - they get good camber (I think the bolts get them close to -3° IIRC?), and I ran against one at TT Nats last year driven by a capable driver who is a friend of mine, and it was a ways back, although it's his baby carrier and he doesn't want to risk Hyundai's 100k mi warranty with a tune. I also don't think they can come close to fitting the wheel/tire package we can. I still very much see the Type R/Type S as the car to have.

The lower ball joint thing seems to be a common complaint but since the camber plates get -2.5° anyway I don't know that realistically it's that big of a hit to not have the ball joints, and that's more of a philosophical shift that would need to happen as it's not allowed on any car for Sport - it's not a Type R specific attack.

In an EN you get about -2.5 to -2.7 with camber bolts. I've said it before, the EN is a beast when tuned with a DCT. I was doing 139 down the back straight at VIR in my tuned one, and it was my first day with the car, my first day really tracking a FWD car, and I was doing 2:11.7. Which would have easily been 2:10s the next day, and with some work, wider wheels and tires than the 245 on 8.5" wheels that I was running, maybe a high 2:09.

I would have finished first if it wasn't for a tuned M235i that was running 2:07s, and then it snowed, and a AWD MK8 Golf R cleaned up everyone by running about 20 seconds faster. For the true Sport 3 cars, I was about 1-2 seconds faster that 1st day.

If the theory of sport is simple hand tools, it's easier to add the ball joints than the camber top on the CTR. Some of the EN dudes are running the Kona eLSD, which if the suspension module is not allowed, that should not be either.

 

[Rexpelagi]

In an EN you get about -2.5 to -2.7 with camber bolts. I've said it before, the EN is a beast when tuned with a DCT. I was doing 139 down the back straight at VIR in my tuned one, and it was my first day with the car, my first day really tracking a FWD car, and I was doing 2:11.7. Which would have easily been 2:10s the next day, and with some work, wider wheels and tires than the 245 on 8.5" wheels that I was running, maybe a high 2:09.

I would have finished first if it wasn't for a tuned M235i that was running 2:07s, and then it snowed, and a AWD MK8 Golf R cleaned up everyone by running about 20 seconds faster. For the true Sport 3 cars, I was about 1-2 seconds faster that 1st day.

If the theory of sport is simple hand tools, it's easier to add the ball joints than the camber top on the CTR. Some of the EN dudes are running the Kona eLSD, which if the suspension module is not allowed, that should not be either.

The Kona eLSD absolutely should not be allowed - I saw that mentioned earlier but I didn't know that was actually an upgrade until it was posted here - I would have just assumed they had the same setup (I always liked the Kona, guess that's the way to go? lol).

The auto helps for sure, just don't know if it's enough. What does a tuned Type R do on the back straight? Having never been to VIR I don't have a good frame of reference for how that lap time translates to a different track with the same car/driver.

 

[PointByPatrol]

The Kona eLSD absolutely should not be allowed - I saw that mentioned earlier but I didn't know that was actually an upgrade until it was posted here - I would have just assumed they had the same setup (I always liked the Kona, guess that's the way to go? lol).

The auto helps for sure, just don't know if it's enough. What does a tuned Type R do on the back straight? Having never been to VIR I don't have a good frame of reference for how that lap time translates to a different track with the same car/driver.

I'd be willing to bet that if I held off until the very last second that I could see more than 150. My top speed last time I was out there was 148.3.

 

[BigBird]

I'd be willing to bet that if I held off until the very last second that I could see more than 150. My top speed last time I was out there was 148.3.

You're turbo swapped though, so not similar. Trying to see what the car would do OEM turbo, 200TW, no intercooler or downpipe

 

[PointByPatrol]

You're turbo swapped though, so not similar. Trying to see what the car would do OEM turbo, 200TW, no intercooler or downpipe

Hold please. I have that data too.

 

[PointByPatrol]

You're turbo swapped though, so not similar. Trying to see what the car would do OEM turbo, 200TW, no intercooler or downpipe

You're looking at roughly 139-141 prior to full on intercooler heat soak.

 

[BigBird]

You're looking at roughly 139-141 prior to full on intercooler heat soak.

you were on 100TW with BBK though, right? it changes things a little coming out of oak tree, the tires more than the brakes at that point, but trying to figure out CTR tuned speeds.

 

[PointByPatrol]

you were on 100TW with BBK though, right? it changes things a little coming out of oak tree.

Yes. The only other data I would have is what it did bone stock on stock tires.

 

[Rexpelagi]

Yes. The only other data I would have is what it did bone stock on stock tires.

How fast were you stock?

 

[PointByPatrol]

How fast were you stock?

135.6mph that was with a passenger, and my first time back at the track after the wreck.

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