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Si firm ride. No adaptive dampers

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A lot of reviewers have mentioned the new Si's firm ride and no adaptive dampers. And they were driving on smooth California roads.

I'm going to wait for the Integra.


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In my opinion the 110th gen adaptive dampers were not that good. Not soft enough in normal to make a difference on the road, and definitely not firm enough in sport for autocross or hard driving. They were pretty meh. By removing them, it makes it easier for me to ditch them for the Koni Yellows I'm going to throw on anyways when the OEM ones start to wear.
 

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I get it. It probably was cut due to cost. The 10th gen was as far as I’m aware the only Si to have it. Not shocking cost had to be cut somewhere to keep it sub $30k.
 

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In my opinion the 110th gen adaptive dampers were not that good. Not soft enough in normal to make a difference on the road, and definitely not firm enough in sport for autocross or hard driving. They were pretty meh. By removing them, it makes it easier for me to ditch them for the Koni Yellows I'm going to throw on anyways when the OEM ones start to wear.
They were good enough for back road I feel but beyond that yeah you are spot on.
 

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What Honda heard: "We never use the adjustable dampers, they're pointless"
What customers were actually saying: "The dampers don't do enough to change the character of the car from one mode to another"

So rather than fix the adjustable dampers and make them better, they just took them out all together. They went the cheaper route and still saw fit to raise prices +$2k along with the other de-contenting that happened. Flip side to that, it helped shave quite a bit of weight from the Si keeping it light(er) and more nimble. Flip-flip side, it still ended up slower with less grip and worse stopping power.
 

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How does that one article say it has more standard features over the last gen? So far as most of us have seen it lost a bunch of standard stuff.
 
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For the hard-core enthusiast the new Si may be fine. But for someone in the snow belt the softer riding Sport Touring HB or Sport HB with a manual will be almost as much fun and a better daily. And all of them handle well.
 

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What Honda heard: "We never use the adjustable dampers, they're pointless"
What customers were actually saying: "The dampers don't do enough to change the character of the car from one mode to another"

So rather than fix the adjustable dampers and make them better, they just took them out all together. They went the cheaper route and still saw fit to raise prices +$2k along with the other de-contenting that happened. Flip side to that, it helped shave quite a bit of weight from the Si keeping it light(er) and more nimble. Flip-flip side, it still ended up slower with less grip and worse stopping power.
Less grip and stopping power is most likely due to MT not doing the infamous pedal dance, they said the TCS was killing power until the wheel was straight. Add that to Honda most likely using a more commute focused brake pad, and tire compound. you get the slower Figure 8 numbers. I guarantee if you throw on a set of Falken RT660s, and the same set of aggressive brake pads, the numbers will be almost identical between the 10th and 11th gen.
 

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The Si's suspension isn't even that firm to my tastes, it feels just right for a sporty car. My point of reference is the Non-DCC MK7.5 GTI, which was too firm and "bouncy", exhausting to drive. The Si feels pretty comfortable in comparison. I think it's set up perfectly as is, it's more than soft enough for an engaging daily.
 

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The Si's suspension isn't even that firm to my tastes, it feels just right for a sporty car. My point of reference is the Non-DCC MK7.5 GTI, which was too firm and "bouncy", exhausting to drive. The Si feels pretty comfortable in comparison. I think it's set up perfectly as is, it's more than soft enough for an engaging daily.
That's both depressing and reliving to hear. IMO the stock MK7 suspension was too soft, but my Koni Yellow/Eibach Pro-Kit/034 Motorsports camber plates set up is way too firm for the wife. It does crash hard on bumps/potholes.
 

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How does that one article say it has more standard features over the last gen? So far as most of us have seen it lost a bunch of standard stuff.
Not taking a side, but just for reference, they added a bunch of suspension bits from the Type R (bushings, mostly, iirc), rev match, individual mode and the Bose audio, to name a few ‘new’ features.

Now, you or I can question the utility of some of these features and the intelligence of the decisions, but they did seem to have a strategy in mind.
 

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What Honda heard: "We never use the adjustable dampers, they're pointless"
What customers were actually saying: "The dampers don't do enough to change the character of the car from one mode to another"

So rather than fix the adjustable dampers and make them better, they just took them out all together. They went the cheaper route and still saw fit to raise prices +$2k along with the other de-contenting that happened. Flip side to that, it helped shave quite a bit of weight from the Si keeping it light(er) and more nimble. Flip-flip side, it still ended up slower with less grip and worse stopping power.
Potential weight reduction by not having adaptive dampers, but it's still heavier than the 10th gen Si sedan lol
 

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In my opinion the 110th gen adaptive dampers were not that good.
Wow, it's cool that we have a visitor from the future at the forum. It's amazing Honda continued to make Civics in the year 2524.
 

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Wow, it's cool that we have a visitor from the future at the forum. It's amazing Honda continued to make Civics in the year 2524.
Yeah that was a fat finger typo. *The 10th Gen dampers are a let down*
 

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I never noticed any difference in the ride on my 2018 Si with regard to normal vs sport. Now the CTR I notice in all 3 modes.
 
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