I'm in for a manual, hybrid CTR.

[Superhatch]

So my wife has a '25 Civic Hybrid and I have a '25 CTR. I drive her car enough to have gotten comfortable with it and the hybrid system and there are a lot of benefits.

• Mpg is an obvious one. I'm at 28-30mpg with a tune and I bet it would be mid 30s with a hybrid system if not more considering the base civic gets 36 mixed.
• The torque fill from the electric power is what makes it as quick as an Si. (The electric motor adds about 100tq over the base model Civic) adding this plus some hp to the CTR without changing the motor or adding more boost is a huge win.
• Regen breaking. The Hybrid has a paddle system that you can use to choose lvl 1-2-3 regen and it makes a noticeable difference in breaking distances.

The downside is extra weight. The Hybrid is about 325 lb heavier than the base model. That is a standard cell battery and the system had no specific design attention to weight. With a solid state battery, and attention to weight I'd bet they could get that down to 250lb at least. 50hp more and 100tq makes it a faster car even with 250 extra lbs (not counting torque fill efficiency gains.

Other benefits are allowing us to keep this K series through possibly more strict emissions by coupling with hybrid tech, better launch control, better pull out of corners, fun stuff with better traction control.

I think Honda has said the next CTR will be electrified, and I think it will be better than people expect.

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[BgeezySGP_FL5]

So my wife has a '25 Civic Hybrid and I have a '25 CTR. I drive her car enough to have gotten comfortable with it and the hybrid system and there are a lot of benefits.

• Mpg is an obvious one. I'm at 28-30mpg with a tune and I bet it would be mid 30s with a hybrid system if not more considering the base civic gets 36 mixed.
• The torque fill from the electric power is what makes it as quick as an Si. (The electric motor adds about 100tq over the base model Civic) adding this plus some hp to the CTR without changing the motor or adding more boost is a huge win.
• Regen breaking. The Hybrid has a paddle system that you can use to choose lvl 1-2-3 regen and it makes a noticeable difference in breaking distances.

The downside is extra weight. The Hybrid is about 325 lb heavier than the base model. That is a standard cell battery and the system had no specific design attention to weight. With a solid state battery, and attention to weight I'd bet they could get that down to 250lb at least. 50hp more and 100tq makes it a faster car even with 250 extra lbs (not counting torque fill efficiency gains.

Other benefits are allowing us to keep this K series through possibly more strict emissions by coupling with hybrid tech, better launch control, better pull out of corners, fun stuff with better traction control.

I think Honda has said the next CTR will be electrified, and I think it will be better than people expect.

I am in the same boat my wife has the hybrid also and i think this would be a great combo for the next-gen CTR!

 

[MooMoo]

Weight really is the biggie here, well and the fact that more power and more torque on fwd really might not make much sense and if they got all wheel then even more weight.

The current power/torque figures are great imo and the weight of the car is also, more weight you will definitely feel it, my M2 was about 300lbs or so more than the Type R and was apparently when going into the type R.

But really there is no other choice and Id prefer a hybrid to a full EV for the type R for sure. Does not matter, not something I am planing on buying anyways

 

[jtlctr]

If they could drive the rear wheels with the electric motor, that would be a huge benefit!

 

[dwag88]

Weight is the enemy. If they are going to go to all the trouble to adding the motors and batteries, they should at least have them power the rear axle. I absolutely wouldn't trade extra weight for a more efficient Type R that was still FWD. AWD would at least offer some benefits for the weight tradeoff.

 

[Sporky McGeuschky]

I think Honda has said the next CTR will be electrified, and I think it will be better than people expect.

Blasphemy!

 

[AZCWTypeR]

The original Insight, Civic, and CRZ all had manual transmissions at one point.
I test drove a lightly used CRZ and it felt slower with less torque than our 2007 Fit Sport.

 

[Sporky McGeuschky]

The original Insight, Civic, and CRZ all had manual transmissions at one point.
I test drove a lightly used CRZ and it felt slower with less torque than our 2007 Fit Sport.

That's gotta be the weight... of the CR-Z. Great looking coupe, cursed by the weight of the hybrid battery, I'm guessing.
On the other hand, the Fit is, well, fit.

One of my neighbors has a CR-Z, and it's damn near totalled on the front end. Never met him. Want to offer a hand, but I don't know what the hell I'm doing. He also has a pretty cool Element that he still drives, and an 86 / 87 4 Door Civic Hatch in the garage, which could use some TLC as well.
Once again, I don't know how to help.

... And then there's the Chevy HHR, complete POS, just collecting Rust N Dust.
That one's a no brainer.

I guess the first step is to say "Hi, neighbor. "

 

[optronix]

I'm still waiting on literally any hybrid sports car to be compelling.

The only one that comes close is the Artura.

The 911 GTS is kind of stupid - it's basically a heavier, slower Turbo S - and I'd much rather have a 911 T- and apparently most of the Porsche customers are saying the same thing with their wallets. No one asked for it, no one wants it.

Just look at the RS5. Even if it's the best performing RS5 ever- and even if Henry Catchpole seemed to be enjoying himself during his review- it went through tires like they were condoms. Track day? New set of tires. And it still seems to suffer from the same Audi-isms the RS cars have always suffered from- numb inputs, lack of soul/character (with the exception of the B8 that at least had a magnificent engine).

I'm just flat out uninterested in a hybrid or an electric for a sports car. At least until they can figure out the weight part.

I just DO NOT WANT a 4500-lb "hot hatch", no matter how much power it has, or how it's delivered.

 

[Sporky McGeuschky]

I'm still waiting on literally any hybrid sports car to be compelling.

The only one that comes close is the Artura.

The 911 GTS is kind of stupid - it's basically a heavier, slower Turbo S - and I'd much rather have a 911 T- and apparently most of the Porsche customers are saying the same thing with their wallets. No one asked for it, no one wants it.

Just look at the RS5. Even if it's the best performing RS5 ever- and even if Henry Catchpole seemed to be enjoying himself during his review- it went through tires like they were condoms. Track day? New set of tires. And it still seems to suffer from the same Audi-isms the RS cars have always suffered from- numb inputs, lack of soul/character (with the exception of the B8 that at least had a magnificent engine).

I'm just flat out uninterested in a hybrid or an electric for a sports car. At least until they can figure out the weight part.

I just DO NOT WANT a 4500-lb "hot hatch", no matter how much power it has, or how it's delivered.

I know Jack Schmidt about VW or Audi, much less Porsche.
Back in 2001 I was interested in the Golf and the A3 of the era, which was always a hatch in those days. I was particularly interested in the 2001 to 2003 era Golf TDi (Turbo Direct Injection) Diesel at the time, due to its good fuel economy.
Then I started hearing rumors about electrical issues with VWs and Audis, and kinda lost interst. I was way too broke to afford either brand for decades anyway.

Glad I saved my money.

70s and 80s 911s are friggin awesome, though. I'd still love one of those in my Dream Garage.

What were we talking about again... Hybrids?
Meh.

 

[chopsuey34]

idk man, Car and Driver tested the Prelude and it's slower in Sport+ mode compared to normal mode because the fake shifts produce less electricity. Honda's going to have to do something about that. For performance, I'd prefer a mild-hybrid system like in the Germans compared to Honda's hybrid tech. But for daily, Honda hybrids are great.

 

[BryanCO]

Please no hybrid nonsense in the CTR.

 

[Higgs Boson]

OP turn in your man card.

 

[Websitesdown]

OP turn in your man card.

I started thinking this long before his post here

 

[ChampionshipWhiteFL5]

LOL...the comments! Sooooo.....I can get 34mpg on the freeway/highway cruising at 70. And my average is about 21, all city as I don't highway much. Which is WAY better than the TLX Type S...which I could still get just over 30mpg with a tune and all tricked out.

So with tune? I'm guessing the mileage will be about the same. Why would it change if you still DRIVE the same: cruise set, chillin. I've seen BETTER milage with most tunes over the years by a few. Just FYI.

BUT....NEVER EVER EVER a hybrid. UNLESS, it's like the NSX and a PERFORMANCE Hybrid! They put 400 hp from the factory on a hybrid Type R? SWEET!!!

I didn't buy this car to be fuel efficient. That's what my 'soon to be in the garage' BMW iX3 or Rivian R3 is for

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