*The FL5 Track Junkie Thread*

[MooMoo]

anyone know what they are doing on the race cars (TCR, etc...) is AHA or something similar on?

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[MooMoo]

Spoon's car has a ton of braking issues...

ahah tell us more

 

[J1Avs]

the paragon is over 3 grand, I would not say its cheap. AP is good stuff, they supply brakes to tons of race teams, its the golden standard. Do any of us need it? of course not but do you need any of the "upgrades" you have done to your car? probably also not.

Cheap is honestly relative, but the Paragon kit isn't worth it anyway. I've yet to see any conclusive data that a Paragon BBK providing superior performance to to the OE Brembos with a Girodisc and high quality pad.

Your money is better spent equipping the stock calipers with proper pads and rotors. Less is more

 

[Rexpelagi]

My hypothesis: I think the move is coilovers with canceller, and then run in +R, TC off long press. I think you'll be able to really extract the software side + the benefits of having a more track focused suspension and not worry about the excessive rebound from the stock dampers.

I have coilovers on order and I was wondering about the same thing - it will be worth a try, although I don't want to roast the fluid like SG did. With the suspension changes though it also may not be necessary.

I agree @BigBird with your hypothesis add in RSB and you can rotate the car with just throttle if set up right.

I was running the Eibach 25mm bar through SCCA TT Nationals due to class legality, and honestly having driven other FWD cars in the past I didn't think the CTR even drove like it had a bigger bar - it was still pushy on entry on the stock suspension (admittedly stock was probably worse), and lifts generally didn't do a whole lot unless the rear tires were very cold (this is with everything off).

Following TT Nationals, I switched to a Karcepts 0.188" wall bar (the BIG one), and tried it on middle 1667lbs/in setting, and it did feel a bit more balanced - I thought this may be way too much, but honestly at least with the Swifts it wasn't at all. I will be curious to try it with the coils once they arrive - may need a setting change, but the bar should be fine.

 

[BigBird]

I have coilovers on order and I was wondering about the same thing - it will be worth a try, although I don't want to roast the fluid like SG did. With the suspension changes though it also may not be necessary.



I was running the Eibach 25mm bar through SCCA TT Nationals due to class legality, and honestly having driven other FWD cars in the past I didn't think the CTR even drove like it had a bigger bar - it was still pushy on entry on the stock suspension (admittedly stock was probably worse), and lifts generally didn't do a whole lot unless the rear tires were very cold.

Following TT Nationals, I switched to a Karcepts 0.188" wall bar (the BIG one), and tried it on middle 1667lbs/in setting, and it did feel a bit more balanced - I thought this may be way too much, but honestly at least with the Swifts it wasn't at all. I will be curious to try it with the coils once they arrive - may need a setting change, but the bar should be fine.

which coils did you order?

with +R there's definitely more rotation, to the point I don't think a rear bar would be necessary. will be interesting to me to revist it and see how that works next year .

Would also be interesting to do a reverse stagger and see how that feels

 

[Rexpelagi]

which coils did you order?

with +R there's definitely more rotation, to the point I don't think a rear bar would be necessary. will be interesting. Would also be interesting to do a reverse stagger and see how that feels

I went with Redshift Motorsports with 10k/12k f/r - I've never used them before but my friend that has them on another platform flies on them, and the price point is good.

There are certainly advantages to a reverse stagger but I won't run it personally as I don't want to complicate rotations.

 

[BigBird]

I went with Redshift Motorsports with 10k/12k f/r - I've never used them before but my friend that has them on another platform flies on them, and the price point is good.

There are certainly advantages to a reverse stagger but I won't run it personally as I don't want to complicate rotations.

My buddy as well on a GR86 flies with his set of RedShifts. I think the biggest thing to get down is the spring rates, those are definitely on the higher side. But it's not your daily, and the rear higher may help with rotation.

I think you'll be happy with them.

 

[Tougefl5]

ahah tell us more

Yes tell us more about the issues spoon is having.

 

[J1Avs]

My buddy as well on a GR86 flies with his set of RedShifts. I think the biggest thing to get down is the spring rates, those are definitely on the higher side. But it's not your daily, and the rear higher may help with rotation.

I think you'll be happy with them.

It's amazing what proper spec'd can do vs OTS even at the lower price point. Shafftworks Bilanx is a single adjustable I've considered for the future.

 

[Rexpelagi]

My buddy as well on a GR86 flies with his set of RedShifts. I think the biggest thing to get down is the spring rates, those are definitely on the higher side. But it's not your daily, and the rear higher may help with rotation.

I think you'll be happy with them.

Is your buddy Lyle also?

Ya, I really didn't know where to start for rates - OTS stuff is all over the map - 14k/14k for HKS Hipermax with KW V3 Clubsports at 8.2k/7.1k (which seems backwards for a stagger to me), and everything in between, but considering my lowering springs are already 6.2k/7.5k, I figured I'd want some decent rates.

 

[BigBird]

Is your buddy Lyle also?

Ya, I really didn't know where to start for rates - OTS stuff is all over the map - 14k/14k for HKS Hipermax with KW V3 Clubsports at 8.2k/7.1k (which seems backwards for a stagger to me), and everything in between, but considering my lowering springs are already 6.2k/7.5k, I figured I'd want some decent rates.

yep he is...he can wheel a car for sure.

and I found the same thing. all the current OTS stuff is like, what are you trying to do here.

 

[Rexpelagi]

It's amazing what proper spec'd can do vs OTS even at the lower price point. Shafftworks Bilanx is a single adjustable I've considered for the future.

They were a strong contender as well, and I waffled a bit on that, but I wanted to give the Redshifts a try after talking with owners of both.

 

[J1Avs]

They were a strong contender as well, and I waffled a bit on that, but I wanted to give the Redshifts a try after talking with owners of both.

I'm sure it will work out great!

It'll be interesting to see how setups change with proper spec'd coils, like @BigBird mentioned. I can see where a RSB on Pedal Dance could be useful, but if you can use +R with coils and not worry about the bumpiness of the stock dampers, maybe a RSB won't be needed anymore.

I'm exceptionally spoiled that Ridge is pretty damn smooth, but holy hell Pacific was insane that I had to run the dampers in Comfort just to stay planted. While my previous Supra on JRZ RS Pro 3, and my BRZ on Penske didn't even register just how bumpy Pacific was, to the point that I thought everyone was full of shit

 

[svvitch]

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[PointByPatrol]

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It's a quick install!

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