*The FL5 Track Junkie Thread*

[MooMoo]

Nothing about that makes sense to me other than perhaps the “uncomfortable” part if running the heat.

Pedal dance takes 10 seconds, saves your brakes, and has no downside on track.

Rain guard takes 30 seconds, zero downside.

Camber will be a problem for PS4S if his 7/10 is fast enough. I know this from going through a lot of PS4S tires on track before and after camber adjustment.

If its a cool day the car will be totally fine and won't come close to "overheating". Removing the rain gutter does take no time though and maybe a why not however Id not run the heat and be miserable for no reason.

As far as pedal dance, this is all preference. Some people are faster with just +R and long press as the car rotates better. Id try both ways and see what the driver prefers.

I feel like this car does ok with not a lot of camber, my tires lasted ok when i did not have camber and the RZs are impressive, they are lasting longer than I would image them to.

You won't roast the CSGs in one day even if you don't pedal dance

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[mistople]

So many variables from driver to track surface. The Ridge isn’t too hard on tires but maybe I’m just not fast enough. If I can do the pin pull and get a quick alignment before, I’ll do it, but I expect stock camber to be ok for the first outing.

Most times I find I am on the over prepared side of track prep. Which reduces stress for me. Plus I find the prep part of the fun of doing this.

 

[MooMoo]

So many variables from driver to track surface. The Ridge isn’t too hard on tires but maybe I’m just not fast enough. If I can do the pin pull and get a quick alignment before, I’ll do it, but I expect stock camber to be ok for the first outing.

Most times I find I am on the over prepared side of track prep. Which reduces stress for me. Plus I find the prep part of the fun of doing this.

Personally Id save my time and money and just run it stock vs pins + alignment. But thats just me. Eventually get some camber on the car.
I am with you I like to be prepared too, hate having stress at the track or days leading to the the track day lol

 

[mistople]

0.3deg more negative camber is so little I tend to agree. Especially with the cost of alignments here. What do people typically do for camber on these cars before going all out on coils and arms? Is there an equivalent to the camber bolts that us 86 folks run on stock suspension?

 

[MooMoo]

0.3deg more negative camber is so little I tend to agree. Especially with the cost of alignments here. What do people typically do for camber on these cars before going all out on coils and arms? Is there an equivalent to the camber bolts that us 86 folks run on stock suspension?

if stock suspension most people do camber lower ball joints. You get 3 adjustments, stock +1 and +2 ish. And can dial a little more or less with the pins removed

 

[CG13]

The PS4S won’t hit the track unless it rains. I’ll be on those RE71RZs pictured above.

I’ll do the rain guard and pedal dance and just keep an eye on stuff. CSG pads are expensive (also incredible btw, blew me away even pre-bedding at street temps) so I’d rather not roast the rears on day 1. 7/10ths to start and we’ll see if I can restrain myself

I missed the wheel and tire comment! Sorry about that.

 

[CG13]

If its a cool day the car will be totally fine and won't come close to "overheating". Removing the rain gutter does take no time though and maybe a why not however Id not run the heat and be miserable for no reason.

As far as pedal dance, this is all preference. Some people are faster with just +R and long press as the car rotates better. Id try both ways and see what the driver prefers.

I feel like this car does ok with not a lot of camber, my tires lasted ok when i did not have camber and the RZs are impressive, they are lasting longer than I would image them to.

You won't roast the CSGs in one day even if you don't pedal dance

Pedal dance isn’t about going faster, but rather avoiding unnecessary wear on rear brakes.

 

[mistople]

I forgot to mention I did the paragon titanium shims with the CSG pads. Between that and the Endless fluid I should be good on fluid temps. I am genuinely floored at how, right out of the box, the C1Xb stops the car like it hit a wall. Of course the tires are the major component there. Compared to stock pads they have a firmer feel will far less squishy compressions

Interesting that they have WAY more cold bite than the CSG CP I have on my GR86 on Brembo BM4 calipers. It takes a few hard stops for those to start doing their thing. They’ve seen a few track days now too so it’s not like there isn’t a transfer layer on the new rotors. Hard to know if that’s the sum of many different parts or just a pure pad characteristic.

Luckily the two calipers share a pad shape so I’ll try the CP on the CTR to see if it’s the same behavior.

 

[chadwicke619]

Nothing about that makes sense to me other than perhaps the “uncomfortable” part if running the heat.

Pedal dance takes 10 seconds, saves your brakes, and has no downside on track.

Rain guard takes 30 seconds, zero downside.

Camber will be a problem for PS4S if his 7/10 is fast enough. I know this from going through a lot of PS4S tires on track before and after camber adjustment.

I'm not trying to invalidate your opinions - I just don't agree that the advice is valid for the scenario described. Someone going 7/10 in cool temperatures isn't going to come even remotely close to having brake, temperature, or camber issues. He's already upgraded his pads and fluids, but he would have been fine without doing those, too - the OEM would be totally fine for someone, again, doing 7/10 in cool temperatures, trying to get comfortable with their car. A long hold (versus the pedal dance) is more than sufficient for someone in his position. In my opinion, the rear brake vectoring he gets from agile handling assist is going to make him faster and feel more confident and the impact on his brakes is going to be negligible - totally worth the trade off for someone's first trip on the track with their car. As for the rain guard, maybe it's easier with the FL5, but it's not a 30 second job with the FK8. Either way, again, he's not going to be going nearly fast enough that it's going to make any appreciable difference at all. Finally, I assume he's going to track on the RE71's he mentioned in his post, which will be just fine at his speed and camber. MAYBE towards the end of his experience, as he reaches his most confident, he'll start to scrub the outer shoulder a bit, but again, the tires will be fine. Just my opinion.

 

[chadwicke619]

I forgot to mention I did the paragon titanium shims with the CSG pads. Between that and the Endless fluid I should be good on fluid temps. I am genuinely floored at how, right out of the box, the C1Xb stops the car like it hit a wall. Of course the tires are the major component there. Compared to stock pads they have a firmer feel will far less squishy compressions

Interesting that they have WAY more cold bite than the CSG CP I have on my GR86 on Brembo BM4 calipers. It takes a few hard stops for those to start doing their thing. They’ve seen a few track days now too so it’s not like there isn’t a transfer layer on the new rotors. Hard to know if that’s the sum of many different parts or just a pure pad characteristic.

Luckily the two calipers share a pad shape so I’ll try the CP on the CTR to see if it’s the same behavior.

Is this your only car? Or is it just your track car? I am just wondering if you're running those C1XB pads as your only pad, or if you're swapping between track and street pads. From what I can tell, that's like an XP10 or 12 equivalent with Carbotech, and I had a hard time running those as my dailies. Off the track and not at speed, the pads are too hard, so you're just scrubbing the rotor clean and lack of transfer material results in a pretty shitty stopping experience, especially when it's chilly in the morning - initial bite is also terrible. What I do now is swap my pads before I drive up, I do my thing, then on my drive home, the pads basically wipe my rotors clean, then I throw back on a street pad once I'm home. You also eat rotors because of how much more aggressively you have to brake because of the compromised performance, on top of them being harder track pads. That was my experience anyway.

EDIT: My bad, I see you have a GR86? But still curious!

 

[mistople]

Not my only car, no. It isn’t a daily either. I’m used to swapping back and forth between pad compounds regardless.

 

[MooMoo]

Pedal dance isn’t about going faster, but rather avoiding unnecessary wear on rear brakes.

I forgot to mention I did the paragon titanium shims with the CSG pads. Between that and the Endless fluid I should be good on fluid temps. I am genuinely floored at how, right out of the box, the C1Xb stops the car like it hit a wall. Of course the tires are the major component there. Compared to stock pads they have a firmer feel will far less squishy compressions

Interesting that they have WAY more cold bite than the CSG CP I have on my GR86 on Brembo BM4 calipers. It takes a few hard stops for those to start doing their thing. They’ve seen a few track days now too so it’s not like there isn’t a transfer layer on the new rotors. Hard to know if that’s the sum of many different parts or just a pure pad characteristic.

Luckily the two calipers share a pad shape so I’ll try the CP on the CTR to see if it’s the same behavior.

I have CPs and they don't have a super strong bite but strong enough, great modulation, they are dead quite. Its a great do all pad but I am going to move to C1X, they are on my table waiting to get installed. The CPs worked great but I did get a little to many deposits from them since I likely (scratch that, definitely) overheated them I guess I have too much pace for a hybrid pad. That said they are fantastic and I think for a track day here and there and auto cross and still be a great street pad CP all the way.

 

[MooMoo]

Pedal dance isn’t about going faster, but rather avoiding unnecessary wear on rear brakes.

its not just about speed, to some leaving AHA on will make the car drive better. What I am saying is don't just turn that off and never try the car with it on for the sake of the track pads lasting another track day or 2. Try both ways and see which one is more enjoyable to you. There is no 1 way of doing this is what I am saying.

 

[mistople]

I have CPs and they don't have a super strong bite but strong enough, great modulation, they are dead quite. Its a great do all pad but I am going to move to C1X, they are on my table waiting to get installed. The CPs worked great but I did get a little to many deposits from them since I likely (scratch that, definitely) overheated them I guess I have too much pace for a hybrid pad. That said they are fantastic and I think for a track day here and there and auto cross and still be a great street pad CP all the way.

I kinda think they are more light (like really light) track rather than street biased. If anything I’d want a street pad to have more cold bite than be able to survive a track day. But I guess that’s the niche it fills. To me it feels like the LA crowd wanted a canyon pad.

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